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lets see if this is true or not, i hope they do release something within the next few months, maybe they are waiting on the titan to release something. but i need a upgrade for my 550gt ti and was wanting to go back to AMD and those saying titan is going to rule everything its only a 50 to 75% better then the 680 so if your going to spend that kind of money just buy a 690

Except the 690 has problems of its own. For a 1000$ card, if you hit the 2GB max memory, you'll lose a ton of performance.
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Good to hear. I hope those rumors about the new cards being released by the end of Q2 are correct.

Assuming the frequent rumors of the 8970 featuring 48 ROPs are true, it should be a fairly significant upgrade over the HD 7970 even if it only has somewhere in the realm of 2560 shaders. I can't see it standing up to the $900 Titan, but I do see an 8990 beating it within a fairly comparable power/heat threshold for those who don't mind CFX (I, if given the decision, would probably prefer the Titan for that very reason unless the performance difference is substantial enough to make me forget about whatever driver issues might arise and microstutter... or if they somehow come close enough to eliminating microstutter).
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I'm hoping for a "battle of the titans" so to speak. AMD's gonna have a tough time keeping up if any of the rumors about Titan are true.

If AMD respond, its gonna be the biggest and most powerhungry single GPU the world have ever seen. It will be 600mm^2++ die and the power consumption won`t be pretty

7970 is 25% bigger than GTX 680. So when Titan is 505mm^2, AMD have to build a 630mm^2 GPU. Is that even possible? rolleyes.gif

GK104 lacks many compute features whereas Tahiti doesn't... that's the reason for NVIDIA's die size advantage at the moment. In recent generations AMD's gaming performance/mm^2 has been similar to better.

And no, a 630mm^2 GPU isn't possible.
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25% bigger and sometimes over 100% better at compute, not to mention how it can annihilate the 680 at high and surround resolutions.
Did you forget Fermi and the huge die sizes just beat AMD cards by 5-10% ?
The GTX 680 sucks at compute which explains the sacrifices at the die size.
Expect GTX 680 die size to be larger if it has more bus and more compute power at the same time.

 

Since all the cool guys use the word "compute" without specifications. 680 does compute over 400% vs 7970 sometimes rolleyes.gif

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I wonder how it will perform against the Ares 2. Everyone seems to be throwing the 690 around so I figured Id throw the ares in too. Although its price is ridiculous...and there is limited amount..It does beat out the 690 pretty much everywhere in performance from the couple reviews I've seen.
     
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I would if they start working on support for GPGPU performance in Windows as well as Linux and keep making bigger chips than nVidia.

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25% bigger and sometimes over 100% better at compute, not to mention how it can annihilate the 680 at high and surround resolutions.
Did you forget Fermi and the huge die sizes just beat AMD cards by 5-10% ?

I don`t think you and the rest understand. Quick rewind:

Fermi was huge yes, but nowhere close a 650mm^2 die. GTX 580 was 520mm^2. TDP of GTX 580 was 245W. Temperatures was around 85C on load.

Lets look at GCN:

7970:
365mm^2. TDP 250W (already matching the hot Fermi) Temperatures for the stock cooler. Around 80C on load.

There is a limit on how big single GPU you can do on a graphic card due to restrictions on power, which again resembles in temperatures. More power, means more heat.

Considering that a GPU from AMD that aim to beat Titan needs to be around 650mm^2 big, a whopping 25% bigger than the enormous GTX 580, its gonna pack too much power on a small die to be cooled properly. Nvidia got the upper hand this round: They have ditched GPGPU performance and made pure gaming GPUs, so they are much smaller than the GCN GPUs.
When Nvidia saw similar temperatures as 7970 (maybe 5C higher) and that was on the very limit, what makes you think AMD can go beyond that?

You can`t compare Fermi vs VLIW against todays Kepler vs GCN, and say that "well AMD can beat Nvidia with a smaller die". Its the opposite situation today. 680 vs 7970 is a living proof of that. (Not GHz edition)

The only way AMD could build something that could compete against Titan, is if AMD get better architecture gains than Nvidia. That might happen, but 650mm^2 GPU? Not a chance in hell
Edited by Cloudfire777 - 2/14/13 at 2:13pm
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I don`t think you and the rest understand. Quick rewind:

Fermi was huge yes, but nowhere close a 650mm^2 die. GTX 580 was 520mm^2. TDP of GTX was 245W. Temperatures was around 85C on load.

Lets look at GCN:

7970:
365mm^2. TDP 250W. Temperatures for the stock cooler. Around 80C on load.

There is a limit on how big single GPU you can do on a graphic card due to restrictions on power, which again resembles in temperatures. More power, means more heat.

Considering that a GPU from AMD that aim to beat Titan needs to be around 650mm^2 big, a whopping 25% bigger than the enormous GTX 580, its gonna pack too much power on a small die to be cooled properly. Nvidia got the upper hand this round: They have ditched GPGPU performance and made pure gaming GPUs, so they are much smaller than the GCN GPUs.
When Nvidia saw similar temperatures as 7970 (maybe 5C higher) and that was on the very limit, what makes you think AMD can go beyond that?

The only way AMD could build something that could compete against Titan, is if AMD get better architecture gains than Nvidia. That might happen, but 650mm^2 GPU? Not a chance in hell

Your comparison is completely invalid.

1) GK104 doesn't have compute features, so it can't be used for an accurate comparison when GK110 and AMD's high-end chips do.
2) NVIDIA and AMD calculate their TDPs differently; do you honestly think that the 7970 produces as much heat and uses as much power as the GTX 480, which also had a 250W TDP?
3) NVIDIA and AMD's respective reference coolers perform differently and have fans spinning at different speeds.
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Ohh here we go again with this crap. I wouldn't call buying all my products online having them delivered to my business and then handing them over to a professional to build and overclock my investment "pre-built." Also what exactly in my choice of products are what you call "poorly selected part?" From what I can see everything in my rig absolutely destroys any of the parts in your computers. I can show you countless pages of Amd stating through interviews and roadmaps that the 7990 was to come out in Q1 2012. We are in Q1 2013 and where is it exactly? Also you are correct the 7970 did come out a year after the 6970. Well its another year later where is the 8970? That is simply all I was saying in my post. But again you had to twist it into something about my Pc. The other member is correct. Haters are gonna hate.

I didn't want to make this thread about your rig, but Dominator RAM is ridiculously expensive for those who aren't looking to put it under LN2 or whatever, I highly doubt you are using any of the features that would make your motherboard worth anywhere near what it costs, you bought a rubber dome keyboard that costs somewhere in the realm of $70, and you are powering a 3930k and 690 with a 1200W PSU.

I'd really hope your computer destroys mine. Your CPU, motherboard, and graphics all cost well above three times as much as mine.

NVIDIA isn't supposed to have a 780 coming out anytime soon so I don't understand your complaint about the 8970 not being here yet... unless you think that anyone who would be considering a 780 or 8970 is actually going to go out and spend double the cash on a Titan, which also isn't out yet.
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Can we please keep the discussion friendly and leave the "omg troll much!" comments.

E: also please, this thread is about AMD. Comparisons to NV's lineup are fine but lets not make this thread entirely about NV compute features etc.
 
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post #49 of 161
People take rumors to the heart. WAIT till the cards come out and talk when theres benchmarks instead of yacking so hard bout whats not out
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... So far AMD has said the 7000 series is its main focus. No one from AMD has openly said "no cards this year". Right?
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