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What card should I get - upgrade from an ATI Radeon 2600 HD Pro

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If I have an ati radeon 2600 pcie card (256mbs) and want to upgrade to, say, a AMD Radeon HD 7450 (0A36538) 1024MB PCIe x16 Gen 2.0 (same sized card slot), i should be able to just pop the old one out and fit the new one in, delete old drivers install new drivers and I'm good to go right? I wouldn't need a whole new motherboard, ram, and cpu, correct?

I currently have an ATI Radeon HD 2600 Pro graphics card
AMD Athlon 64 X2 4200+ cpu
NF-MCP61 motherboard with NVIDIA MCP61 chipset Rev A3
cpu-z is saying i have ddr2 2048 MBs RAM but I have 2 of those, it should be double that (?) (cntrl-alt-del says i have a commit charge of 1350M/3938M)

So, since it's pcie already, can I just get a 1024mb graphics card and pop that in? I'm assuming, since amd's website says the 2600 is pcie 1.0, that's what my motherboard's pcie slot is. I've read articles that 2.0 should be compatible with 1.0. Anyways, based on those statistics, can you recommend to me an awesome card? I want to play Planetside 2 and it says I need a ATI 4850 series or higher, and I want to keep it ATI Radeon, so please any suggestions you could give, please help. Thank you very much in advance =)
Edited by djskagnetti - 2/14/13 at 2:52pm
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you shouldn't need to be too exhaustive in removing the old drivers as they'll both be ATI... but the 2600 will use the legacy drivers so it will be a different binary you have to install.... but yes, certainly won't do any harm to remove the old ones.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_AMD_graphics_processing_units#Radeon_R700_.28HD_4xxx.29_series

if you search for the 4850 on that wiki, it days that card has 1000 GFlops processing power.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_AMD_graphics_processing_units#Southern_Islands_.28HD_7xxx.29_series

same page, just links to the 7000 series now, you can see that you'll need a 7770 GHz edition or greater before you meet or exceed the processing power of the 4850.

So, I don't think your proposed 7450 will cut it at 200GFlops (pretty much the same as your 2600 actually at 144 GFlops!).

Also, your 2600 Pro only required 35W which it could get direct from the PCI-E bus, the 7770 needs 85W which I think required a 6-pin PCI-E power plug. The card would likely come with a molex to PCI-E adapter if need be but if your PSU is geared for the lighter 2600 then it may struggle with the extra power. Probably not but worth checking

Oh, and to answer your original question, yes you can put any PCI-E card into any specification of PCI-E slot so long as it will fit. There are PCI-E x1, x4, x8 and x16 slots which are different lengths so its pretty easy to get the right one. Graphics cards use the longest, x16 slots.
 
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Thanks for your reply. So should I just get a 4850 and which 4850 specifically if I should. Thanks =)!!

edit: Newegg says SAPPHIRE 100270SR Radeon HD 4850 X2 2GB 512-bit (256-bit x 2) GDDR3 PCI Express 2.0 x16 HDCP Ready CrossFireX Support Video Card is discontinued lol.

edit edit: whoops that was at amazon. sorry can't read today for some reason...
Edited by djskagnetti - 2/14/13 at 3:20pm
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I don't think it's worth putting a 4850 in that system. I'm afraid one of these days it's new computer time. biggrin.gif
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... or one of these I suggested perhaps? http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814127664

do you have your computer spec? someone might be able to advise if your PSU can handle it

EDIT: yeah, definitely don't buy a 4000 series card now!

EDIT2: or http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814202023 if you wanted to stick with sapphire
Edited by pharcycle - 2/14/13 at 3:38pm
 
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Awesome, thanks! I think I'll get the first one - http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814127664

Yah, it's been about 5 years since my last upgrade, I've been meaning to get on that....
Do you think the card you suggested will be sufficient to play Planetside 2 (the game that needed a 4850 or better?)

Thanks much for your help!

Edit: I have a 430 watt power supply, is that good enough for it?
Edited by djskagnetti - 2/14/13 at 7:33pm
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If you look at those wikis I linked to, you can compare the stats of the 4850 with the 7770 GHz edition. And yes, the 7770 GHz edition is slightly more powerful than the 4850. However, the recommended spec is unlikely to let you play at full settings. PS2 is quite intensive all round (CPU and GPU) given that it can have 1000 people multiplayer maps!

I think the best 'bang-for-buck' is the 7950 but that's about double the price of the 7770... it gives you 3x the performance for 2x the price (so you're talking $300 for the 7950 over $150 for the 7770GHz)

Not sure what to recommend for it....the 7770GHz will certainly play it and if you're not too concerned about having all the details up then its probably the one to go for. Or, if you wanted to save some pennies, you could get an old 4850 from ebay I suppose, I just looked and they're going for about £25 here in the UK... could be a cheap way of testing the water. If it can't handle PS2 to a state you're happy with, the 7770GHz isn't going to fare much.

Maybe start a thread asking people for their planet side 2 performance vs card type.... My gaming sig rig still slows down at points in PS2 and that's got CF 7970 and a 4,5GHz i7 so whatever you do, you'll always have to compromise somewhere!
 
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I played the Witcher 2 with my 2600 ati radeon on the lowest settings, and I thought that was pretty amazing to look at. Lower settings don't bother me much, I grew up with atari 2600 and colecovision and have owned or at least played every system since. A little pixelation here and there isn't really going to make a difference to me. I'm not sure how good CF 7970 and a 4,5GHz i7 is in comparison to mine, but I'm assuming it's higher end stuff? I wonder if my 4 gigs of ddr2 is going to be enough, hate to get a 150-300 card just to find out that i need another 4 gigs. I realize there's going to be slowdown/lag/framerate drop with 1000s of people playing no matter what I own, I'm used to it from past online games or mmos. I'm not a supercomputer fanboy/graphics snob, as long as it works at least a little bit I'll be happy =)

Anyways, thanks for your help, maybe someday soon I'll be fighting with or against you on PS2.
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hoo-rah marine!

CF = crossfire, i.e. 2x HD 7970 GPUs which are for comparison each approximately 4x the power of a 7770
i7-3820 = current Intel quad core CPU, 4.5GHz = Fast!

My point about my kit (I guess I am a supercomputer/graphics fanboy!) was not to say yours isn't any good just that performance gains per unit of money spent tend to follow an asymptotic curve and some people (like me!) will never be satisfied!

I think for you, maybe a second hand (ebay) 4850 is all you need. It'll be a fraction of the cost of a 7770, similar performance and its from the same era as your other hardware. If you find that with that card, PS2 is heavily CPU limited then you've not spent your entire budget on a GPU so can afford to look into a new processor and/or system if you really need. The only drawback is noise, heat and power will be greater than a 7770 and you won't get updated drivers as ATI consider the 4000 series as obsolete now!

Unfortunately for you also, as DDR2 is not mainstream any more, the price is starting to rise. In the UK for example, 2x2GB of DDR2-800 is £45-50. A 2x2GB kit of DDR3-1600 is £25... i.e. about half the price for something 2x the speed... damm economics!

have fun!
 
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I'm sorry I wasn't trying to say that you were a sc/gf, or that it is even bad. I meant no offense by it =) I, myself, would be all over a supercomputer if I could afford it lol, unfortunately right now I'm on bit of a budget. Anyways, thanks for your help again, have a great year n stuff!
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