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I'm having a very odd driver crash issue, and I cannot figure out what's going on. I can't tell if it's the drivers, maybe the CPU overclock is affecting things, maybe I have a bad PSU. I've done a million tests on stock and overclocked and all sorts of configurations and I can't figure out what's going on. Please read the whole thread, don't leave a reply saying "do you have the latest driver?".

- 3770K (Passed 35 hours p95 max ram blend priority 10 at 4.8ghz@1.4vcore, but issues on stock too)
- Z77X-UD5H
- G.Skill Ares 1x4GB RAM stock XMP 1600 CL9 1.5v
- MSI Twin Frozr II GTX 460 768mb (passed 5+ minutes on OCCT Error testing, furmark, at 922mhz@1.087v just fine on previous builds)
- X25-M G2 80GB
- Corsair CX500
- Windows 8 64bit
- OCCT Beta (fixes that issue where you load up GPU test and it says "Crysis2.exe has stopped working")
- Prime95 27.7
- Latest GTX 460 driver (310.90)
- 1360x768 resolution
- 2 x NZXT 140mm Havik fans (those bacon fans)
- 2 x Noctua 140mm fans (1 PWM, 1 Molex)
- 1 x Noctua 120mm NF-P12 PWM
- 3 x Yate Loon Mediums
- NZXT Sentry 2 LED 5 x Fan Controller/5 x Thermal diodes

Temperatures are not the problem. GPU stays under 60*C. I also have a thermal diode on the GPU's PCB backside by the VRM, I know the diode is accurate, and temps stay under 70*C. Definitely can't be a temp issue, everything is cool, and I've run this GPU with no issue for a long time - not to say the GPU can't be suspect, but that heat is not the problem.

So in Kombustor:
Stock CPU, Stock GPU, I fail OpenGL2 and OpenGL3 testing pretty quickly, I get the following error everytime I test in OpenGL2/3.


Stock and overclocked passes DX11 Kombustor testing just fine.

In OCCT:
Stock CPU: Overclocked GPU passes just fine the GPU testing (however driver crashes immediately when I set it to full screen testing mode)

However, the PSU test on OCCT crashes the driver right away, repeatedly, and will eventually cause the system to reset. This is stock cpu, stock gpu.

So maybe I have a PSU Problem? Or maybe OCCT is faulty?

So Kombustor/Furmark + Prime95 Blend in background:
- Stock CPU/Stock GPU: DX11 Kombustor seems fine
- Stock CPU/ Overclocked GPU: DX11 fails with driver crashes. This occurs even with very minor overclocks. However the failures seem to happen after 5-10 minutes. So maybe stock cpu/gpu would fail after enough time too.

4.8ghz CPU @ 1.4vcore / Stock GPU causes driver crash right away in DX11.
However with no prime95 running, overclocked passes DX11 Kombustor just fine. It's only with p95 running too that there is a problem.

This is really quite a frustrating problem. I can't really make a trend of it. The GPU is okay I think, there's probably some driver issue, and the CPU overclock affects the GPU in some way.

And yes I've already manually set bclk to 100.00.
Edited by Belial - 2/14/13 at 10:44pm
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Suggestions:

- PSU issue: The CX series is an overrated entry-level line, so my first guess it's the problem. Do you have another known-working PSU to test with? maybe borrow one from a friend for a day?

- Some cards that have been running for a few years tend to need more volts at stock than they used to. Try upping it by +.05v @ stock speed & test.

- You didn't mention anything about temps, have you monitored them? GPU VRM temps too?
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I could possibly borrow a CX430 but it'd be an hour drive. I think I should mention that I have 8 case fans and an LED fan controller, but that still shouldnt be anywhere close to saturating the power usage.

I have some generic OEM psu here, from like a 10 year old computer, that's definitely not enough power. It's like rated for 240w i think, and the amount it has on the 12v rail is absurdly low.

GPU Temps are fine, sorry for to include that.

It's an MSI Twin Frozr II GTX 460 768mb (cyclone 768mb pcb/model, twin frozr ii heatsink). Temps never go above 60. I also sekusui-taped a thermal diode onto the back of the PCB on the card, to monitor VRM temps, and they also never go above 60*C. I know these sensors are very accurate as well (nzxt sentry 2, for $25 this thing is absolutely amazing, i never use pwm fans anymore lol), I've tested them on other components and they are always rock solid and reliable, and it feels like the VRM readings are correct.

I think there might be multiple problems going on.

- Some OpenGL issue (the timeout? Is there something i change to allow it to not timeout or something?)
- Overclocking CPU seems to affect stability of GPU
- OCCT is buggy. Which has always been the case, but their GPU testing program has always been awesome, and I want to make sure it's OCCT that's buggy, and not an unstable system. That Error Check, man, that thing calls out overclocks a good 30-70mhz less than what is rock solid on furmark/kombustor. Apparently most artifacts are too small/quick for you to notice with your eyes.

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GPU has OpenGL error every time I run Kombustor on OpenGL2 or 3, on stock CPU/GPU, error code 7 timeout, driver crash, thing.

GPU passes Kombustor DirectX9/10/11 even with a high overclock on CPU and GPU, but fails if prime95 is running too.

If this was a PSU issue, why is just the driver crashing? Wouldn't it be something like... the system going off (i guess that happens if i let it keep going i think). HWInfo says that my "ICC DIV2-S: BCLK/DMI/PEG is 100.3 MHz". Does that sound right? All the other ones are 100.00, always (div3:pcie/pci33/sata/usb3, icc div2-ns: bclk/dmi/peg, etc) except 120 for the icc div1-ns: display.

I tried 306.10 driver, I tried unplugging my fan controller and 6 case fans, I plugged directly into the wall, nothing has made a difference. I have an OEM Antec psu with 12v@15a, it's really old. i'm going to plug just the GPU into it, use a staple to start it up, see if that makes any difference to anything.
Edited by Belial - 2/15/13 at 2:20pm
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I have an antec oem psu, it's 12v@15amp. Maybe I could plug just the GPU into it, use a staple in the 20 pin to make it power up the GPU... See if it makes a difference.

I went to driver 306.10 and it doesn't fix any of the issues.... oddly. Like I installed it, it doesnt ask for a restart or anything, and opengl worked fine. After a restart, opengl not working just like it wasn't before.

I unplugged my fan controller with 5 fans, doesn't seem to make any difference.
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Wow get this.

So I hooked up an OEM Antec SL300S PSU (12v@15a, it has 5v@30a and 3.3@20a) to the GPU's 2x6pin PCI-E connectors.

Everything works. OpenGL2/3 works, OCCT PSU test works.

And at everything overclocked too. Overclocked GPU and CPU, everything.

lololol. god this corsair cx500 is a piece of garbage. At first it was way too loud, I had to manually reseat the fan (that was a lot of fun when you can't open the psu up, btw), now it doesn't supply power.

It doesn't seem to make much sense. Stock CPU stock GPU has issues with occt power testing and opengl, and with all the fans disconnected. What kind of problem is this, because it can't just be the psu doesnt supply enough power right?

whaaat do i do lol. i can't not have a psu for a month. i can't exactly use this antec oem to power my entire system, i mean 12v x 15a = 180w... pretty sure that's pushing it.

Maybe I can just run off integrated graphics for the time being... so 8 fans and an i7-3770k system offf 180w? It doesnt give a 12v wattage, it just sayas "5v and 3.3 and 12v combined max output = 280w".

I already got back my refund and spent it lol.
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I understand sometimes hardware can just be a lemon, but what makes a PSU bad? I never had issues with my Antecs.

Should I be worried about the cx430 I used for another person's build?

What should I do? I suppose if I get a replacement, I'll just see if it works well or not.... surely this is just a problem with the PSU i got, and not corsair's cx500.

I would rather get a refund and buy a PSU I could sleeve the last couple inches of the main lines, without having to void the warranty, though. What PSU's out there allow you to just sleeve the last couple inches without getting in warranty trouble?
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Wow get this.

So I hooked up an OEM Antec SL300S PSU (12v@15a, it has 5v@30a and 3.3@20a) to the GPU's 2x6pin PCI-E connectors.

Everything works. OpenGL2/3 works, OCCT PSU test works.

And at everything overclocked too. Overclocked GPU and CPU, everything.

lololol. god this corsair cx500 is a piece of garbage. At first it was way too loud, I had to manually reseat the fan (that was a lot of fun when you can't open the psu up, btw), now it doesn't supply power.

It doesn't seem to make much sense. Stock CPU stock GPU has issues with occt power testing and opengl, and with all the fans disconnected. What kind of problem is this, because it can't just be the psu doesnt supply enough power right?

whaaat do i do lol. i can't not have a psu for a month. i can't exactly use this antec oem to power my entire system, i mean 12v x 15a = 180w... pretty sure that's pushing it.

Maybe I can just run off integrated graphics for the time being... so 8 fans and an i7-3770k system offf 180w? It doesnt give a 12v wattage, it just sayas "5v and 3.3 and 12v combined max output = 280w".

I already got back my refund and spent it lol.

Clean power delivery is what you need, not just wattage.
The wattage of your CX might be fine, but since it's not built for enthusiasts, the components used in it aren't of high quality (thus the attractive price & warranty).
IMHO, they should be avoided unless you're building a non-enthusiasts system.

Check this site to know more about what's important in a PSU.
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I believe I'm pretty knowledgeable on power supplies, how they work, wattage, rails, et cetera. I'm aware that it's not about wattage, it's 12v rail wattage (or more specifically, amperage) and how clean the power is.

That said, everything I've read of the Corsair CX series, even the older generation ones, had very little ripple and noise, and very clean power delivery.

I don't know why you would say they should be avoided. Clearly the CX500 I have is a lemon, rather than it can't supply clean power. I've taken multimeter readings of my board and power was always stable (granted, that's more the motherboard, but that can only happen if the PSU is supplying clean power).

I wish I could get some kind of tool for this. A killawatt maybe? that just tells you how much power your pulling from the wall though, doesn't tell you ripple, noise, or efficiency...

And johnnyguru gave a pretty glowing review of the CX430, by the way. My system, even with as many fans as it has and a Fermi GPU and high overclocks on both the CPU and GPU, it shouldn't be pulling anywhere near the power limits of the CX500. I should be well within the ~50% usage of the CX500.
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I believe I'm pretty knowledgeable on power supplies, how they work, wattage, rails, et cetera. I'm aware that it's not about wattage, it's 12v rail wattage (or more specifically, amperage) and how clean the power is.

That said, everything I've read of the Corsair CX series, even the older generation ones, had very little ripple and noise, and very clean power delivery.

I don't know why you would say they should be avoided. Clearly the CX500 I have is a lemon, rather than it can't supply clean power. I've taken multimeter readings of my board and power was always stable (granted, that's more the motherboard, but that can only happen if the PSU is supplying clean power).

I wish I could get some kind of tool for this. A killawatt maybe? that just tells you how much power your pulling from the wall though, doesn't tell you ripple, noise, or efficiency...

And johnnyguru gave a pretty glowing review of the CX430, by the way. My system, even with as many fans as it has and a Fermi GPU and high overclocks on both the CPU and GPU, it shouldn't be pulling anywhere near the power limits of the CX500. I should be well within the ~50% usage of the CX500.

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CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
i7-6700K TUF Sabertooth MSI 1080 Ti 16GB 2400MHz C15 
Hard DriveHard DriveHard DriveCooling
Corsair 480GB LE 3TB WD Green Sammy 500GB 850 EVO H100i 
OSMonitorKeyboardPower
Windows 7 Pro  BenQ XR3501 Logitech G710+ EVGA G2 750W 
CaseMouseAudioAudio
Cooler Master Stryker Logitech G602 Asus Strix Nakamichi 5.1 
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
Phenom II X4 965BE  Sapphire 790X Zotac GTX650  4GB Corsair 1066 DDR2 (1GBx4) 
Hard DriveHard DriveCoolingCooling
G.Skill Phoenix Pro 120GB WD 2TB Green Stock 3x120mm UQ fans 
OSMonitorKeyboardPower
W7 Pro SP1 x64 LG 21' 1680x1050 Genius  Corsair CX600 
CaseMouseMouse PadAudio
Gigabyte  E-Blue Mazer XFX WarPad On-board 
Audio
Logitech G35 
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