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Output quality shouldn't affect the VGA's behavior that way.. at worst you should see some stuttering, flickering, etc. What will affect the system that way is voltage regulation, the PSU can't keep the voltage/s stable enough once load increases, and it ends in a crash (obviously).
You need a new PSU, I suggest a higher quality one than what you currently have (this whole thread is a good lesson to why quality is far more important than absolute output wink.gif).
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Output quality shouldn't affect the VGA's behavior that way.. at worst you should see some stuttering, flickering, etc. What will affect the system that way is voltage regulation, the PSU can't keep the voltage/s stable enough once load increases, and it ends in a crash (obviously).
You need a new PSU, I suggest a higher quality one than what you currently have (this whole thread is a good lesson to why quality is far more important than absolute output wink.gif).

Really appreciate the feedback and thank you so much for helping out smile.gif
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Really appreciate the feedback and thank you so much for helping out smile.gif
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Had similar issues with a 580. One of two methods fixed it. I did not care to find out which one but im pretty sure it was that the card was not getting enough voltage for the overclock. MSI afterburner wiped the current settings with the voltage and i received the error. Downclock to stock frequency with current voltage and see if that fixes anything. Also try creating a new profile with the same settings and apply them. See if that solves anything.
The other thing that mightve fixed it was reseating the card and checking all connections,but i doubt this fixed it.
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But you recommended the CX430. The CX series in general seems to have glowing reviews, it's even on the OCN PSU recommended list. Please stop talking about my decision to get the CX500 like I'm an idiot here, nowhere around is there any indication that the CX series, especially the new line of CX series that just came out, is a mediocre, much less a low quality, PSU.

So are you telling me that the CX500 is not good enough for a single GPU system? I'm a bit confused here... as I understand it, besides the issue of 'enough' 12v amperage, it's about the quality of the power, how clean it is. That shouldnt mean the system is failing at stock, it would just mean that overclocks would be unstable or would take more voltage than normal.

So you are telling me that this CX500 is not a lemon, and rather, the problem is that this would happen with every CX500 I were to use?

Do you know of any PSUs that I could sleeve the last couple inches of the main lines without voiding the warranty (i woudlnt have to open psu).
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Had similar issues with a 580. One of two methods fixed it. I did not care to find out which one but im pretty sure it was that the card was not getting enough voltage for the overclock. MSI afterburner wiped the current settings with the voltage and i received the error. Downclock to stock frequency with current voltage and see if that fixes anything. Also try creating a new profile with the same settings and apply them. See if that solves anything.

Sorry I'm having a hard time following what you are saying you did. So MSI afterburner 'somehow' deletes your settings/profile... then you set the GPU to stock and everything worked? So... your overclock was unstable? Do you mean current as in electrical current or current as in 'today'? I still don't understand what you are trying to say.



On a side note, I'm going to be out a PSU temporarily one way or another. What can this 12v@15a PSU do for me. Obviously I won't be running prime95 or gaming, but I need to use my system for the internet. What would I need to do so that this Antec SL300S could power my computer enough for web browsing?

Turn off HT, turn off 2 of 4 cores, maybe set frequency to 1.6ghz @ 1.0vcore... remove the GPU (can i disable it instead of remove? There's a thermal diode taped to the GPU that I'd rather not have to pull off), unplug the fan controller and all the fans, unplug my cpu heatsink fan, just leave a single fan on....
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Please stop talking about my decision to get the CX500 like I'm an idiot here...........

Don't really understand what made you think that......just trying to help out.
Maybe the GPU oc stressed the CX a bit too much and shortened its life (you had the 460GTX @ +900 MHz which is a pretty good oc).
Maybe the next CX will give no problems for its life as long as you don't oc.
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Oh sorry for not being clear, the keyboard i am on is pretty clunky so i dont bother to fix mistakes.

So the issue similar to yours occurred after a rebuild of my rig. I was getting the error after launching certain programs. I re rebuilt my PC and made sure everything was securely connected. After doing that I launched MSI Afterburner. I had a preoverclocked 580, and when i first got it, to get it to work right i had to up the voltage. So i left the Voltage the same, a bit higher than stock, and set the Core Clock to stock speeds, in this case 775. That solved the problem.

So i suggest downclocking the core clock and see if that solves your issue.

The issue seems to reoccur when MSI Afterburner would update. I imagine my settings are wiped and i have to reapply in for the card to work properly.
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I'm not sure what there is addressed to the me and what not, but to put it simply. If I did recommend the the CX 430 is because it was the only decent unit available and/or inside your budget. Neither the CX 430 nor the CX 500 are crackers, however they are cheap, entry level units, you shouldn't expect excellent regulation or excellent output quality from such products, they're targeting completely different concerns. wink.gif
A CX 430 or a CX 500, both in perfect working condition, should have absolutely no issues with powering such a system, independent of clocks.
My remark was targeting the following fact, for the price of a CX 500, you can usually get a superior, lower output unit, like a G 360 for example, which would have a field day with that system, while presenting far superior regulation, output quality, transient response, efficiency, longevity, etc, when compared to the CX 500.

Since you isolated the problem to the PSU, I suggest you return it (if it's still in warranty, since it's obviously not working as expected), but before you do that, also double and triple check all connectors, poor contacts can have a severe impact on voltage regulation.
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The system fails Kombostur + Prime95 and OCCT PSU Test when both the CPU and GPU is at stock. The CPU and/or the GPU being overclocked, appears to have no impact on how quick tests seem to fail, or if they fail. It's a little hard to tell because there's so many different tests I've done with varying results.

With the CPU + GPU overclocked, it passes Furmark DX11 just fine.

You realize that a GTX 460, even with a high end overclock, and an i7 3770 Ivy bridge on high end overclock, or even both on stock, they shouldn't come anywhere close to using up 12v@38amps. You are talking about a large enough 12v rail wattage that this PSU should be able to handle gtx 460's in SLI (granted, it'd be right on the limit, no overclock most likely).

You make comments as if my system is pushing this PSU, but it shouldn't. You also talk like this PSU is low quality, or that I should have known better, and that I'm such a dip**** for buying such a cheap PSU. But this PSU wasn't cheap, and everything out there says that this is a high quality PSU, including the review site you linked yourself. You talk like it's expected that a CX500 should not be able to handle an Ivy Bridge + Single GPU, but it's generally accepted that any quality 350w+ psu/ 12v@28a+ is more than enough power for a single GPU system even with heavy overclocks.

So instead of talking like you know some secret that I don't, please, spit it out. I think I'm pretty knowledgeable about PSUs, and I read at length about the CX series and the CX500 and could find nothing short of glowing reviews for it. Also, I'm pretty sure this CX500 is a lemon, I'm 100% certain I did not come anywhere close to maxing out this PSU or somehow stressed it out. Clearly, it seems to be a lemon and gimped and struggling to do half it's spec rated amperage.
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So the issue similar to yours occurred after a rebuild of my rig. I was getting the error after launching certain programs. I re rebuilt my PC and made sure everything was securely connected. After doing that I launched MSI Afterburner. I had a preoverclocked 580, and when i first got it, to get it to work right i had to up the voltage. So i left the Voltage the same, a bit higher than stock, and set the Core Clock to stock speeds, in this case 775. That solved the problem.

So i suggest downclocking the core clock and see if that solves your issue.

The issue seems to reoccur when MSI Afterburner would update. I imagine my settings are wiped and i have to reapply in for the card to work properly.

Ah. Running at stock, running downclocked, did not change anything.
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I'm not sure what there is addressed to the me and what not, but to put it simply. If I did recommend the the CX 430 is because it was the only decent unit available and/or inside your budget. Neither the CX 430 nor the CX 500 are crackers, however they are cheap, entry level units, you shouldn't expect excellent regulation or excellent output quality from such products, they're targeting completely different concerns.
A CX 430 or a CX 500, both in perfect working condition, should have absolutely no issues with powering such a system, independent of clocks.
My remark was targeting the following fact, for the price of a CX 500, you can usually get a superior, lower output unit, like a G 360 for example, which would have a field day with that system, while presenting far superior regulation, output quality, transient response, efficiency, longevity, etc, when compared to the CX 500.

Are you johnnyguru? exxon seems quite taken with you, if you are johnnyguru, you do great reviews, but you also said the cx430 was a great unit, just like everyone else did.

I got my CX500 for cheaper than the cx430 was at the time, for $24. There was some special going on. The Antec Neo Eco 620 was $19 at one point, that is a similarl, high quality psu for a low price. I generally expect to pay $40-50 for a good, 350w+ psu, but recently a ton of high quality PSUs have been on sale, rebate, etc, for $20-30.

The G360 is never below $50, so it's hardly a superior psu for similar price. I'm just looking, as I always have, for any quality 350w+ psu for my single GPU, heavily overclocked systems (usually intel but even amd a few times). Antec earthwatts series did really well for less than $40 for a while for me (the green ones). I've been using a CX430 in another build with no problem at all (but it had no gpu either, it is a non-gaming video editing computer).

I understand certain PSUs can be higher quality, but I'm not quite sure I follow you with what you are saying. Up to a certain quality point, which I imagine the CX series meets, you can handle any overclock and usage on a single gpu intel based system (and most amd, for that matter). I understand longevity, the capacitors being a part of that, i understand efficiency but that isn't an issue when your using a 12v@38a psu for a single gpu ivy bridge system that will maybe push 30a at the most extreme of overclocks and loads on both the cpu+gpu, so that shouldn't be an issue as I'll be around the most efficient usage area of the PSU (ie 50-80% load of psu). As far as output quality and transient response, that's just an issue of you might need more power to be stable, but that shouldn't be a huge issue with a CX500 on a single gpu ivy bridge build...

I'm pretty sure this CX500 is not in perfect working condition, rather than it's quality is so bad and that's why I'm having difficulty.
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Phenom ii X4 955C2, $31, 5 broken pins, works! ... Biostar A770e3 6.3 Red&Black MSI GTX 460 768mb Twin Frozr II 2 x 2GB Kingston HyperX 1333 OC to 1348CL7@1.65v 
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Intel X25-M G2 80GB SSD NH-D14 SE2011 6 x Case Fans (4 x YL-M, NZXT case fan, CM Hype... Jerryrigged Chipset-Northbridge 80mm HSF 
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Jerryrigged VRM Heatsink (sawed off stock AM2 h... Hax'd W7 Ultimate 64bit Sanyo DP19640 19"1360x768 Ducky Cherry Browns 10keyless 
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Antec Earthwatts 430D NZXT Gamma Steelseries Kinzu Optical Steelseries Blizzcon Diablo 3 
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Haswell i7-4770K 4.8GHz@1.452v/1.97vRIN Gigabyte Z87X-UD3H Older Gigabyte 7950 (H60 Mod) 2x4GB Gskill 2400CL11 Hynix CFRs 
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Samsung 830 128gb Corsair H110 w/4x 140mm Yate Loon High Blues W7 x64 Ultimate Yarrgh Matey Dell U2312HM Matte IPS 1080p 
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Sanyo DP19640 18.5" 768p KDS Rad-7xp 1024p CM Storm Quickfire Rapids Brown Rosewill Capstone 750 
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Bitfenix Shinobi Modded CM Storm Spawn Steelseries Diablo 3 2 set CD Speaker + Big Sub 
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Bitfenix Recon Fan Controller Moded 
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Delidded i7-3770K 5GHz@1.499 Gigabyte Z77X-UD5H 1.1 Sapphire Dual-X 7950 3L Boost 4x2GB Mushkin Ridgeback 2200mhz 8/11/8/27 1.75v... 
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Intel X25-M 80GB SSD NH-D14 SE2011 Noctua 120/140/140 Fans 3 x Yate Loon Mediums (Petras) 2 x NZXT Havik 140mm Fans 
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Hax'd W7 Ultimate 64-bit Sanyo DP19640 19'' KDS Radius Rad-7xp 17'' Ducky 1087 MX Brown 10keyless 
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Rosewill Capstone 550w Modular NZXT Source 210 w/Modded Window Razer Deathadder 3.5G Steelseries Blizzcon D3 
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Phillips FW-C250 2 Speaker Set w/3 CD Changer JBL Sub 6 Subwoofer NZXT Sleeved LED Strip 1m Blue NZXT Sentry 2 Fan Controller 
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Colonial Blue Paracord Sleeving 
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
Phenom ii X4 955C2, $31, 5 broken pins, works! ... Biostar A770e3 6.3 Red&Black MSI GTX 460 768mb Twin Frozr II 2 x 2GB Kingston HyperX 1333 OC to 1348CL7@1.65v 
Hard DriveCoolingCoolingCooling
Intel X25-M G2 80GB SSD NH-D14 SE2011 6 x Case Fans (4 x YL-M, NZXT case fan, CM Hype... Jerryrigged Chipset-Northbridge 80mm HSF 
CoolingOSMonitorKeyboard
Jerryrigged VRM Heatsink (sawed off stock AM2 h... Hax'd W7 Ultimate 64bit Sanyo DP19640 19"1360x768 Ducky Cherry Browns 10keyless 
PowerCaseMouseMouse Pad
Antec Earthwatts 430D NZXT Gamma Steelseries Kinzu Optical Steelseries Blizzcon Diablo 3 
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