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You're attitude is quite strange considering you're here looking for help, you might want to address that, PM me when you do.

ps. Just because you think you know what you're talking about, does not mean you actually do.
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No, but I know enough to know that a 12v@38a PSU is more than enough power to handle a single GPU ivy bridge system.

So I'm pretty sure it's inaccurate to portray the CX500 as if it's not powerful enough to handle such a system. I'm pretty sure it's also inaccurate to portray the CX500 as if it's too low quality to handle such a system. And while it may not be the best, I'm pretty sure for a quality, 300w+ psu for under $50, it's still good enough, it's decent quality, and will handle any overclock on a single gpu ivy bridge build.

And it's a bit irritating, when it's made out that I'm an idiot for having purchased the CX500, as if I should have heeded all the warnings about buying low quality PSUs or skimping on PSUs, or why did I buy such an expensive PSU.

I paid $24 for my CX500. It was cheaper than any other reputable PSU. The 12v rail amperage is more than enough for a single GPU ivy bridge build even with high overclocks. And every review out there, says the CX series are great PSUs. Including JohnnyGuru's review of the CX430 (is that you? one and the same? it's what exxon linked to).

Hardly said I knew what I was talking about. I said I just know a bit, as in enough to know that this PSU is not working as intended.
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No, but I know enough to know that a 12v@38a PSU is more than enough power to handle a single GPU ivy bridge system.

So I'm pretty sure it's inaccurate to portray the CX500 as if it's not powerful enough to handle such a system. I'm pretty sure it's also inaccurate to portray the CX500 as if it's too low quality to handle such a system. And while it may not be the best, I'm pretty sure for a quality, 300w+ psu for under $50, it's still good enough, it's decent quality, and will handle any overclock on a single gpu ivy bridge build.

And it's a bit irritating, when it's made out that I'm an idiot for having purchased the CX500, as if I should have heeded all the warnings about buying low quality PSUs or skimping on PSUs, or why did I buy such an expensive PSU.

I paid $24 for my CX500. It was cheaper than any other reputable PSU. The 12v rail amperage is more than enough for a single GPU ivy bridge build even with high overclocks. And every review out there, says the CX series are great PSUs. Including JohnnyGuru's review of the CX430 (is that you? one and the same? it's what exxon linked to).

Hardly said I knew what I was talking about. I said I just know a bit, as in enough to know that this PSU is not working as intended.

If you read his post, it stated that your CX is faulty and a normal, functioning CX500 will handle your system with no issues, oc'ed or not.

EDIT: and for 24$, I say it's a great deal!
Edited by eXXon - 2/15/13 at 8:50pm
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The CX series is an overrated entry-level line, so my first guess it's the problem.

I have not seen anything to indicate that. All I know is corsair has some other line-ups that are very expensive. Most brands offer more expensive, rip-off series.
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this whole thread is a good lesson to why quality is far more important than absolute output ).

Where does anyone or anything ever indicate that the CX500 is not a quality PSU? Isn't this thread more a lesson on "**** Happens" than belial is a dope?

http://www.overclock.net/t/183810/faq-recommended-power-supplies
Even on the OCN recommended PSU list.
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My remark was targeting the following fact, for the price of a CX 500, you can usually get a superior, lower output unit, like a G 360 for example, which would have a field day with that system, while presenting far superior regulation, output quality, transient response, efficiency, longevity, etc, when compared to the CX 500.

Please show me a similar quality PSU for $24 or less. Or really, $40 or less, because that's generally what a good psu is.

I'm not trying to be antagonistic here but I feel a little attacked with some of these comments.
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Since you isolated the problem to the PSU, I suggest you return it (if it's still in warranty, since it's obviously not working as expected), but before you do that, also double and triple check all connectors, poor contacts can have a severe impact on voltage regulation.

I have so double checked the connection to the PSU. I even plugged a sata connector into the motherboard peripheral gpu power slot thing. i suppose ill check the other connections though, that's interesting what you say.
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No, but I know enough to know that a 12v@38a PSU is more than enough power to handle a single GPU ivy bridge system.

So I'm pretty sure it's inaccurate to portray the CX500 as if it's not powerful enough to handle such a system. I'm pretty sure it's also inaccurate to portray the CX500 as if it's too low quality to handle such a system. And while it may not be the best, I'm pretty sure for a quality, 300w+ psu for under $50, it's still good enough, it's decent quality, and will handle any overclock on a single gpu ivy bridge build.

And it's a bit irritating, when it's made out that I'm an idiot for having purchased the CX500, as if I should have heeded all the warnings about buying low quality PSUs or skimping on PSUs, or why did I buy such an expensive PSU.

I paid $24 for my CX500. It was cheaper than any other reputable PSU. The 12v rail amperage is more than enough for a single GPU ivy bridge build even with high overclocks. And every review out there, says the CX series are great PSUs. Including JohnnyGuru's review of the CX430 (is that you? one and the same? it's what exxon linked to).

Hardly said I knew what I was talking about. I said I just know a bit, as in enough to know that this PSU is not working as intended.
1st. I am not Jon Gerow aka Jonny Guru.

2nd. I never told you that your PSU is lacking in raw output, indeed it's far more than necessary for your hardware.

3rd. Check your ego, idiot or anything close to that is something that no one here suggested or implied you were.

4th. Voltage regulation is something that your PSU can't boast about, and no unit in its segment can (apart from the very few proverbial exceptions), that can mean nothing but it can also mean a lot... some samples behave worst than others... in conjunction with a sub par and/or battered VRM this can have a severe impact on overclocking potential and sometimes even stock stability.

5th. The fact that you payed "no money" for a unit does not make it good, or worth buying to begin with. wink.gif
Unless my memory completely fails me right now, I don't remember ever recommending a CX 500. If you check the recommended PSU FAQ you won't find it there, and I've already explained (a few times) why. The CX 430 is there because it's really cheap (pretty much everywhere, not only in NA, under various newegg promotions) and reliable, it's not a performer of any sort, simply something you can shove inside your box and not worry about house fires.

So, the CX line is based on the DSA II platform from CWT (various iterations of it), it's the exact same thing you'll find inside units such as this one, or this one, or why not this one.. or maybe this one.
The difference being that most of these units use better caps (Teapo) than those present in the CX (CapXon). The fact that it has Corsair written on it does not mean you want to buy it.
Edited by Original Sin - 2/15/13 at 9:22pm
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EDIT: and for 24$, I say it's a great deal!

That's what I'm saying. I mean I'm not saying "I don't want to spend more than $50" here, but I'm looking for a PSU that can handle extreme ambient 24/7 overclocks. As I understand, this should be easily achievable under $50. Considering all my options under $50, the CX500 is the best PSU. It just so happened to be at $24 (this made me choose it over the CX430, frankly, if the the cx430 was $5 or more cheaper I would've gotten that instead). The Antec Neo Eco I think is the only other psu i've seen go under $50 that is questionable better (maybe it is, maybe it isn't, i know it's older than the very new cx 500, i believe it's v2? i dont know, i do know its different from the cx500 sold before), but it wasn't cheaper at the time. I think once it was $19, that would've been a definite choice over the cx500 @ $24 but that wasn't at the same time.
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4th. Voltage regulation is something that your PSU can't boast about, and no unit in its segment can (apart from the very few proverbial exceptions), that can mean nothing but it can also mean a lot... some samples behave worst than others... in conjunction with a sub par and/or battered VRM this can have a severe impact on overclocking potential and sometimes even stock stability

Well with a decent board, like the UD5H, this shouldn't be an issue, no? If you could explain more about this, that would be appreciated. I just don't want a PSU to be a problem. Right now it's being a problem.
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5th. The fact that you payed "no money" for a unit does not make it good, or worth buying to begin with.
Unless my memory completely fails me right now, I don't remember ever recommending a CX 500. If you check the recommended PSU FAQ you won't find it there, and I've already explained (a few times) why. The CX 430 is there because it's really cheap (pretty much everywhere, not only in NA, under various newegg promotions) and reliable, it's not a performer of any sort, simply something you can shove inside your box and not worry about house fires.

I think there are a few quality choices under $50:

Antec Neo Eco
AnteC Earthwatts
Corsair CX series
Sometimes the XFX 550 Pro when it's on sale
Thermaltake toughpower i think? Which borders on decent quality, i believe

that's really all i've seen for quality psu under $50, as much as I understand it.

All of these PSUs are similar quality, as I understand it, making whichever one is cheapest, the best choice for the most part, maybe give or take based on differing power needs (crazy number of fans and stuff or something, which i do have tbh). Originally I was looking at the CX430 but the CX500 happened to be cheaper at the time.
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So, the CX line is based on the DSA II platform from CWT (various iterations of it), it's the exact same thing you'll find inside units such units as this one, or this one, or why not this one.. or maybe this one.

i have never seen those units before :X

I bought the CX 500, and CX430, with full confidence that it was a decent PSU. I just simply have never heard a bad word about any of them, anywhere, and I've looked a lot on it. This is all news to me that this is bad, I really dont see how I would have known. I'm not someone to skimp on PSUs, but nothing I've ever read has said these are bad PSUs. I think it's a bit unfair some of the comments that have been m ade saying how the cx500 is bad, low quality, etc.
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Well with a decent board, like the UD5H, this shouldn't be an issue, no? If you could explain more about this, that would be appreciated. I just don't want a PSU to be a problem. Right now it's being a problem.
Indeed, the UD5H is a solid board, but you have to keep in mind the VGA's VRM as well.
Simply put, your PSU delivers 12V current to both the CPU's VRM and the VGA's VRM, which then convert this to 1.xV (depends on the board/card, your settings, etc), as load varies so does the current drawn by the two chips (CPU and GPU), and in turn the voltage varies with it (inversely), in turn that puts additional stress on the VRMs, which need to deliver very very stable voltages to the chips, from an unstable 12V source (the PSU).. when the VRMs fail to do that, because they're poor, or because the settings are poor, or because the PSU is poor (or something else altogether affects the regulation, like adapters, poor connectors, deformed pins, etc), you encounter behavior such as the one you described.

Hence the accent on quality as opposed to output, when recommending/buying a PSU. smile.gif
Edited by Original Sin - 2/15/13 at 9:48pm
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Got a PM to share my CX experience from the OP. Not bashing Corsair, I actually think it's a great company.
Had a CX600 to power 2nd sig rig (SB) with a 580GTX.
Benchmarks ran fine. Gaming maxed out was a different story.
MP3, The Run, New Vegas, BL2, MW3, BF2 would all crash to the desktop after around 15-20 min with 'Driver stopped responding and recovered' crap. Did a fresh windows install with different drivers, same thing. If I lower AA, it takes 30-40 min for the crashes to happen.
Thought it was the 580, put it in my 1st sig rig (not easy/simple removing AMD drivers and reinstalling Nvidia drivers, kept getting BSOD until I did a fresh windows install) and it was fine after hours on the same games.
Switched the CX with the GS600, plugged in the 580 and bam, no crashes after 2 hours of MP3 maxed out.
Tested every other game and not a single crash.

EDIT: The CX600 is now powering my sister's rig (2400SB, H67, 6670HD) with no issues at all @ 720p maxed out.
Edited by eXXon - 2/15/13 at 9:58pm
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Well with a decent board, like the UD5H, this shouldn't be an issue, no? If you could explain more about this, that would be appreciated. I just don't want a PSU to be a problem. Right now it's being a problem.
Indeed, the UD5H is a solid board, but you have to keep in mind the VGA's VRM as well.
Simply put, your PSU delivers 12V current to both the CPU's VRM and the VGA's VRM, which then convert this to 1.xV (depends on the board/card, your settings, etc), as load varies so does the current drawn by the two chips (CPU and GPU), and in turn the voltage varies with it (inversely), in turn that puts additional stress on the VRMs, which need to deliver very very stable voltages to the chips, from an unstable 12V source (the PSU).. when the VRMs fail to do that, because they're poor, or because the settings are poor, or because the PSU is poor (or something else altogether affects the regulation, like adapters, poor connectors, deformed pins, etc), you encounter behavior such as the one you described.

Hence the accent on quality as opposed to output, when recommending/buying a PSU. smile.gif

And are you saying the CX series is not a good quality psu? As in, it's like the many no-name, terrible psus? I'm a bit confused.

Like I understand VRMs pretty well, on motherboards and GPUs. What you say, I understand. But even for motherboards and GPUs, you just want a VRM that:
- can supply enough power, ie amperage on the mosfets
- can handle high temps (higher quality), stays cool (more phases, higher quality), has a high max temp (ie doesnt whine at 90*C or blow out at 120)
- delivers clean, stable power (the less clean/stable, generally, you will have to use higher voltage to make up for it), and can do this at higher temps/loads.

Like the Extreme4. Relatively, it's got a terrible VRM. But for most overclocks, it won't be limiting and won't be noticeably worse than a ud3h except for the most extreme air overclocks, and you can usually fix this with a fan on them. Whereas, say, the G41, literally, it has coil whine around 90*C (which you hit around 4.5ghz@1.3vcore on that board), will be suffering long term damage around those temps, requires more voltage than you would on a decent motherboard, and the lower quality is immediately handicapping and apparent.

I'd say the Extreme4 is a terrible board, relatively, but absolutely, it still gets the job done, it's still a 'good board' in the sense you can push a high overclock on it just fine and you can generally overclock as far on it as you can on a Ud3H for a high end air overclock. not a great example because the extreme4 actually does limit your overclock on ambient but you can put a fan on it and that should help...

So is the CX500 so bad that it's noticeably worse, or is it just relatively worse?

And really, I don't see what you say is a better PSU to buy. When the CX500 is $24, what better PSU is $25? What better PSU is under $50?
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Got a PM to share my CX experience from the OP. Not bashing Corsair, I actually think it's a great company.
Had a CX600 to power 2nd sig rig (SB) with a 580GTX.
Benchmarks ran fine. Gaming maxed out was a different story.
MP3, The Run, New Vegas, BL2, MW3, BF2 would all crash to the desktop after around 15-20 min with 'Driver stopped responding and recovered' crap. Did a fresh windows install with different drivers, same thing. If I lower AA, it takes 30-40 min for the crashes to happen.
Thought it was the 580, put it in my 1st sig rig (not easy/simple removing AMD drivers and reinstalling Nvidia drivers, kept getting BSOD until I did a fresh windows install) and it was fine after hours on the same games.
Switched the CX with the GS600, plugged in the 580 and bam, no crashes after 2 hours of MP3 maxed out.
Tested every other game and not a single crash.

EDIT: The CX600 is now powering my sister's rig (2400SB, H67, 6670HD) with no issues at all @ 720p maxed out.
Edited by eXXon - Today at 12:58 am

wow, rep'd. Thanks a lot. I was literally just about to reinstall windows, I was downloading it before I figured out this swap psu fixed it lol. Nvidia driver crashing, i mean i never wouldve figured that's the sign of a psu failing. So is that the sign of a lemon PSU, or a PSU that can't handle the voltage load changes?
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..... I was literally just about to reinstall windows, I was downloading it before I figured out this swap psu fixed it lol. Nvidia driver crashing, i mean i never wouldve figured that's the sign of a psu failing. So is that the sign of a lemon PSU, or a PSU that can't handle the voltage load changes?

I could have gotten an RMA but it would cost more than the PSU in shipping. And since it works without issues in different rig, I kept it.
But the CX500 for 24$ is a good deal since most that are in that price range tend to be crackers.
But for 60$ (CX500 list price), it's way overpriced and you could get much better PSUs with that kind of money.
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