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He's actually right though. A very poor clocking card or person submitting a faulty score can take an entire groups average down and may not be an accurate representation of a given card. Perhaps you should put a disclaimer of some sort in the original post explaining this or the fault of some comparisons so people don't bash you.

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He's actually right though. A very poor clocking card or person submitting a faulty score can take an entire groups average down and may not be an accurate representation of a given card. Perhaps you should put a disclaimer of some sort in the original post explaining this or the fault of some comparisons so people don't bash you.


Problem is, you would have to balance that out by taking out the highest scoring people so it isn't tip heavy. Look at my 7970x3 score, it beats tri titan and quad 680s, but you will never see that with these graphs because they are an average of what data he has available.
     
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He's actually right though. A very poor clocking card or person submitting a faulty score can take an entire groups average down and may not be an accurate representation of a given card. Perhaps you should put a disclaimer of some sort in the original post explaining this or the fault of some comparisons so people don't bash you.

Lets say we have 30 results of one setup (ie: GTX 670)
  • 10 extreme overclocker scores
  • 10 average scores
  • 10 low scores

Taking only the first 3 top scores will not make a good average or a good idea of what a card can do BUT taking all scores will give better idea of what you should expect out of a card.

Lets take for example the GTX 690 VS HD 7990.

The HD 7990 has 3 results (104, 93 and 81 fps) and the GTX 690 has 14 results (from 101 to 77). If I take the top 3 (101, 99, 93) it will give higher average on the GTX 690 while you see the highest and lowest score is lower than the HD 7990 scores.

By the way, in all the setups we have, there are low and high scores. Making the average is the best way. I have spent so much time in this thread, thinking how and why? And this is my conclusion. Check the graphs I posted comparing both of them, you have your answer in it. Its not like the order will change by much or at all.



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Not many 480 users in here, this is why the 480 is so much lower than 570's, i do agree with what he said, but still being a bit of an arse.


Yes I know this and I can't do nothing about it, I have visited every Cards Owners Club and asked people with older cards to post a score. But the graphs are more intended for the current generation of cards. When next gen of cards arrive, it will be safe to compare HD 7xxx to HD 8xxx and comparing the GTX 6xx with GTX 7xx.

And by the way, the GTX 480 is not SO MUCH lower than the GTX 570. (Its 30fps VS 34 fps) not so bad. And MrTooShort has a great score of 36fps with his GTX 480, all scores are helping to give a precise and accurate average. but nothing is 100% accurate when we have few results. For older gen of cards ONLY.



But compare with any reviewer results, and its the same final conclusion


Edited by KaRLiToS - 5/5/13 at 3:23pm
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I was talking about benny, if you failed to gather my words smile.gif

I thank you for the hard work, i was just pointing out that he is correct, but i also stated there is not enough entries smile.gif
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Problem is, you would have to balance that out by taking out the highest scoring people so it isn't tip heavy. Look at my 7970x3 score, it beats tri titan and quad 680s, but you will never see that with these graphs because they are an average of what data he has available.

Jeezus you have some monsters. There really isn't a solution. The charts should just be taken for what they are, Valley Benchmarks and nothing more. They really shouldn't be used to determine which card outperforms which outside of Valley. Then there's also the fact that there's so many factors involved in regards to PC settings. I'm sure a lot of people aren't running their drivers @ stock settings but who's to know which scores are with stock and which ones are tweaked. Then there are other things people can do like aero off, disable extra monitors, etc.

I think the original post should lay out what settings everyone should use for maximum frames so its somewhat more of an even playing field.

Edit: BTW, I'm coming for one of them top Titan spots,
Edited by wholeeo - 5/5/13 at 3:28pm
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Jeezus you have some monsters. There really isn't a solution. The charts should just be taken for what they are, Valley Benchmarks and nothing more. They really shouldn't be used to determine which card outperforms which outside of Valley. Then there's also the fact that there's so many factors involved in regards to PC settings. I'm sure a lot of people aren't running their drivers @ stock settings but who's to know which scores are with stock and which ones are tweaked. Then there are other things people can do like aero off, disable extra monitors, etc.

I think the original post should lay out what settings everyone should use for maximum frames so its somewhat more of an even playing field.

With current generation (GTX 6xx and HD 7xxx) we have enough results to have a conclusion, but we can't say the same for older generations since we don't have enough but we have enough to still have a good idea.

Help me to find a GTX 480 Tri-SLI versus HD 7970 CrossFire chart on the internet. Impossible to find, but this thread can help give an idea.
Try to find a GTX 660ti SLI vs GTX 285 SLI on the internet but this thread can help it.
Try to find a HD 7950 QuadFire VS GTX 580 Quad-SLI on the internet but this thread has it.


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With current generation (GTX 6xx and HD 7xxx) we have enough results to have a conclusion, but we can't say the same for older generations since we don't have enough but we have enough to still have a good idea.

Help me to find a GTX 480 Tri-SLI versus HD 7970 CrossFire chart on the internet. Impossible to find, but this thread can give help give an idea.
Try to find a GTX 660ti SLI vs GTX 285 SLI on the internet but this thread can help it.
Try to find a HD 7950 QuadFire VS GTX 580 Quad-SLI on the internet but this thread has it.

Nothing against you. I think this thread is great hence my participation. It's just some things that need to be pointed out.
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Lets stop this arguing so that KaRLiToS can update the top 30 and put me in the #10 spot. smile.gif
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Lets stop this arguing so that KaRLiToS can update the top 30 and put me in the #10 spot. smile.gif

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