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Karlitos - just ignore 'em and keep up the good work.

sorry to say to all - but there are no metrologists or statisticians on this thread, and if there ARE then spend 10min of your professional time (I would be surprised).
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Karlitos - just ignore 'em and keep up the good work.

sorry to say to all - but there are no metrologists or statisticians on this thread, and if there ARE then spend 10min of your professional time (I would be surprised).
Statistics is part of what I do, and I have posted here previously about this. Most have already acknowledged the shortcomings of our data set here. While some cards have enough entries to calculate mean/median/mode within an acceptable confidence interval, many other cards simply have too few entries.

As has been pointed out many times, there are quite a few entries where the person failed to oc the card and chip to the limit and get a representative score. For example, there are 12 entries for a 690 in the competition section, and I know more than half of those are misrepresentative. That, however, is not Karlitos’ fault, nor can he just choose to ignore some entries since he will be derided for that as well.

I copy all the data in his table and look at the numbers with a logical and critical eye to determine what is a reasonable and fair score, in my opinion, for the cards. I do not rely on a graph to tell me what 5 or 10 minutes of looking at the actual data can tell me.

This is a good thread, and he is doing the best he can with the incomplete data we have provided.
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Statistics is part of what I do, and I have posted here previously about this. Most have already acknowledged the shortcomings of our data set here. While some cards have enough entries to calculate mean/median/mode within an acceptable confidence interval, many other cards simply have too few entries.

As has been pointed out many times, there are quite a few entries where the person failed to oc the card and chip to the limit and get a representative score. For example, there are 12 entries for a 690 in the competition section, and I know more than half of those are misrepresentative. That, however, is not Karlitos’ fault, nor can he just choose to ignore some entries since he will be derided for that as well.

I copy all the data in his table and look at the numbers with a logical and critical eye to determine what is a reasonable and fair score, in my opinion, for the cards. I do not rely on a graph to tell me what 5 or 10 minutes of looking at the actual data can tell me.

This is a good thread, and he is doing the best he can with the incomplete data we have provided.

exactly. There is no happy middle when it comes to hard data. As you said, just reading through the submission for a few minutes will give you a pretty good idea of what to expect. The biggest thing that cant be taken into account are variables such as driver support and configuration. If you are running cfx without 1x1 optimization, you will get some pretty bad numbers (my 3x7970 got 103fps lol). Also having a look at the 3x titans and absent of 4x titans(as it negative scales at 4) will also show you that there are poor drivers at play.

Admittedly, I was one to give Karlitos a hard time about playing stat adjuster a few weeks ago when you see disparities such cfx 7970 beating sli titans. He was doing it in good faith, but since data is data, its hard to be the one to try and inject a bit of subjective analysis into it all.

At the end of the day, this is one benchmark, that's it. It should not be looked at as an assumption of true performance compared to another gpu. Yungbunny did not see it that way and wants an "end all be all 100% accurate and real life" chart, but if it does not comply to his perceptions of how something should play out, it is wrong.

You have put too much work into this karlitos to give two craps about a kid who doesn't have the drive to make a thread like this for himself so he can have his "accurate" data.
     
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Sorry to quote myself but was just looking for feedback. Is this a good overclock and do the scores look in line with what they should be? There is a lot (too much) to look through in this thread for me right now. Cards are coming real close to that 70°C mark during Valley.
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Sorry to quote myself but was just looking for feedback. Is this a good overclock and do the scores look in line with what they should be? There is a lot (too much) to look through in this thread for me right now. Cards are coming real close to that 70°C mark during Valley.

On 36 results of the GTX 670 SLI.

Highest is 100fps
Lowest is 63 fps
Average is 87 fps

27 results are higher than 80fps, 10 are higher than 90fps

Sounds about right.
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On 36 results of the GTX 670 SLI.

Highest is 100fps
Lowest is 63 fps
Average is 87 fps

27 results are higher than 80fps, 10 are higher than 90fps

Sounds about right.
woot woot 100fps 670 sli biggrin.gif
and those 17 ppl under 90fps need to oc there cards more. cmon 670's wink.gif
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@Sabertooth365 and @Niexist : please disable iGPU.


@Dealio, @kana-maru, @johntauwhare : Please post a valid screenshot


/ Any mistakes: Don't forget to tell me !! smile.gif

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IGPU disabled gave me a slightly higher score do I need to redo the form?
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So why not just do the charts both with Top 3, and overall average, like you did at this post: http://www.overclock.net/t/1360884/official-top-30-unigine-valley-benchmark-1-0-fill-the-form-single-and-multi-monitors/3900_50#post_19904753

That way everyone is happy? I think it's great way to present the data, personally thumb.gif

Thanks for all your hard work on this thread, btw.

Edit: Actually, I think Top (up to) 5 (if available) would be even better, myself. Also, put the number of samples on the chart somewhere, so people can see how many data points went into each 'stack'. Obviously the more data points, the more likely it is that the collection of samples reflects the total population.
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