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Exactly - thank you!thumb.gif

@justanoldman: It's unclear to me what conclusion you were drawing a page back. And as you would know, "real" stats is more of an art than a science wink.gif What analyses of the existing dataset have you conducted?
Statistics can be massaged in any number of ways and that will, of course, affect the outcome. Numbers don’t lie, but statisticians can. Here is what I posted: “I copy all the data in his table and look at the numbers with a logical and critical eye to determine what is a reasonable and fair score, in my opinion, for the cards. I do not rely on a graph to tell me what 5 or 10 minutes of looking at the actual data can tell me.”

The three key words were “in my opinion” not anyone else’s opinion, and not any claim to absolute numbers or fact. Just my personal view of how to interpret the data. I find that more accurate than graphing all the data or a generalized subset of it.

If anyone is not happy with any particular graph it only takes a few minutes to copy all the data to a spreadsheet and view it as you wish.
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Statistics can be massaged in any number of ways and that will, of course, affect the outcome. Numbers don’t lie, but statisticians can. Here is what I posted: “I copy all the data in his table and look at the numbers with a logical and critical eye to determine what is a reasonable and fair score, in my opinion, for the cards. I do not rely on a graph to tell me what 5 or 10 minutes of looking at the actual data can tell me.”

The three key words were “in my opinion” not anyone else’s opinion, and not any claim to absolute numbers or fact. Just my personal view of how to interpret the data. I find that more accurate than graphing all the data or a generalized subset of it.

If anyone is not happy with any particular graph it only takes a few minutes to copy all the data to a spreadsheet and view it as you wish.

This. But I have many graphs to come so don't make any wink.gif
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This. But I have many graphs to come so don't make any wink.gif

Thanks 'JAOM".

And Karlitos is clearly a man with a mission! Amazing job with this thread!
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Thanks 'JAOM".

And Karlitos is clearly a man with a mission! Amazing job with this thread!

Thanks my friend wink.gif


So I started making a graph with TOP 3 vs Average Scores and I realize it wasn't worth it to continue building this graph because you clearly see that the order will barely change and if it changes, its due to the lack of results with some setups, usually the older generations.

So my final conclusion: if I make some graphs with top 3 results, I need to use setups that have MANY results... usually the current generation. But if I make a round-up with older gen, I need to make average of ALL results. I hope you understand that there is not millions of way to calculate the data we have now.


Like I said previously, example: if I calculate all the HD 7970s (lets say 45 results total) , there are probably:

  • 15 results that are highly overclocked and highly good chips
  • 15 results that are good overclock
  • 15 average and poor overclock

So making the average of all results will give a better idea than only using the top 3 results. thinking.gif

Running one of my HD 7970 at stock was giving me around 43 fps, with a moderate/good OC was around 50 fps... and the average of all HD 7970 results is 51,7fps. So the average is already higher than my moderate OC, why use only the top 3 results?
Same thing goes for my GTX 680 AMP Edition, with boost I had 48 fps and its lower than the average. I don't see the point of using the top 3 results if the averages are almost spot on.


Sorry for the basic graph but I stopped after realizing that it wasn't worth it

Edited by KaRLiToS - 5/6/13 at 7:18pm
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Originally Posted by KaRLiToS View Post

Thanks my friend wink.gif


So I started making a graph with TOP 3 vs Average Scores and I realize it wasn't worth it to continue building this graph because you clearly see that the order will barely change and if it changes, its due to the lack of results with some setups, usually the older generations.

So my final conclusion: if I make some graphs with top 3 results, I need to use setups that have MANY results... usually the current generation. But if I make a round-up with older gen, I need to make average of ALL results. I hope you understand that there is not millions of way to calculate the data we have now.


Like I said previously, example: if I calculate all the HD 7970s (lets say 45 results total) , there are probably:

  • 15 results that are highly overclocked and highly good chips
  • 15 results that are good overclock
  • 15 average and poor overclock

So making the average of all results will give a better idea than only using the top 3 results. thinking.gif

Running one of my HD 7970 at stock was giving me around 43 fps, with a moderate/good OC was around 50 fps... and the average of all HD 7970 results is 51,7fps. So the average is already higher than my moderate OC, why use only the top 3 results?
Same thing goes for my GTX 680 AMP Edition, with boost I had 48 fps and its lower than the average. I don't see the point of using the top 3 results if the averages are almost spot on.


Sorry for the basic graph but I stopped after realizing that it wasn't worth it

...I think you got that right, besides, most visitors looking at a graph will probably assume that it is averages, which in turn you get from what members submit...fact is that some cards are more popular than others and thus will have a different number of submitted entries used for averages and 'oc spread'...while there may be many different ways to express the data in various graphs after some manipulation, in the end straight averages of what was submitted probably carries the least amount of negatives.... I can see 'pros and cons' for doing geometric mean averages instead of straight arithmetic averages in graphs...but then again, most visitors would assume that what is depicted is regular averages anyways, so might as well leave it at that.

On a somewhat related note, the above does not close the door on 'special features' for data / graphs when they become available / time permitting. One thing I'm interested in is the 'scaling' between single and multiple cards, for NVidia and AMD GPUs if there is different behavior (not sure)...I never ran single card Valley with my 670ies, but the best SLI was in the 4220ies, tri-SLI at mid -5150ies and the best quad result at the low 6070ies (currently posted in table).

You've got a great thread here with lots of new and interesting info !! thumb.gif I learn a lot here.
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Got my personal best, was a decent cool night to try it out.

At the moment, it's the best I can do for a 2500k with air cooled GPU's. thumb.gif

NiGhTz2k --- i5 2500k@5.2GHz ---- 2x HD7950's 1225/1750 ---- 93.0 AVG FPS ---- 3893


Edited by Nightz2k - 5/7/13 at 3:18am
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about the best i can do with my Gigabyte670 @ 1215/1848 stable:thumb:biggrin.gif:specool:
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about the best i can do with my Gigabyte670 @ 1215/1848 stable:thumb:biggrin.gif:specool:

Looking good!

Welcome to OCN too!cheers.gif
    
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Wow, out of 500+ entries, only 3 of them list the i7 875k as the cpu and only one shows an i7 860. I'm way in the cpu minority.
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Thx Mr TOOSHORT... good to be a part of it m8:D
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