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Originally Posted by fewness View Post

with this much data it's more fun to analyze them than run the test now. biggrin.gif

All data below are from the form on the first page (which means old data before we had the form are not included). Entries with partially missing data or obviously poor performing data (like all your peers got average 80 fps but you with the same setup got only 50. Sorry your computer must be drunk and that data doesn't count) or with unbelievable data (like you're reporting you overclocked a Titan to 1370, no way! you were reading the wrong number from valley screen) are left out of the analysis. I chose these cards for no particular reason. And I think if you put 680 or 7870 data in conclusion will stay the same.
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GPU MEM is the best correlated with final score. GPU core doesn't seem to contribute as much as you expected. I blame the boost mechanism for the result. Whatever core frequency you thought your card were running at, they were not. tongue.gif They either feel themselves too hot to work or they hit the hardware power limit.
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See, without the boost, AMD cards owner were having much simpler life. All frequencies correlate with final score better comparing to Nvidia cards. In another word, when AMD cards got overclocked, they worked harder. When Nvidia cards got overclocked, oops, they throttled. biggrin.gif

How about SLI and CF?
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Same thing. 670 SLI scores have the best correlation with your CPU frequency! Want a better score? Stop messing up with your 670s, they will throttle anyway, instead, overclock your CPU!

And finally, to 690 owners:
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Your overclocking efforts on GPU core were perfectly irrelevant to the final scores. Get your GPU MEM higher to see the difference in the future. smilingsmiley.gif

Summary:
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Bottom line: AMD cards, you just overclock as much as you can to win. Nvidia cards, you need to find the best non-throttling CPU core and MEM core combination. Just pushing your core as higher as it goes will not give you best result. And don't forget to overclock your CPU to help these naughty Nvidia cards if you are running SLI. What a wonderful life for us Nvidia cards owner! lmaosmiley.gif

...first - great stuff thumb.gif

headscratch.gif ....have been looking at 'scaling' re my 4x 670ies, also following a comment from Karlitos that my tri-SLI to quad-SLI looses almost nothing in scaling... I think you're right that for Keplers, CPU power (speed) is more important to 'create more headroom' for the OC'ed GPUs

...I ran my 4 cards in various configs on two machines (delidded, 5.1+ GHz 3770K Ivy and 5.125+ GHz 3970X)...by the time I put in three or more cards, the 3970X pull ahead (perhaps because off less latency re native PCIe lanes), but slowing both CPUs down to 5 GHz mostly eliminates the lead.

...the 4x 670ies 'usage' graph in my PrecisionX supports this...first overclock your CPU as much as possible (and tighten your system mem as far as possible)...that creates the 'head-room' for further speed-ups of the GPUs which you can then oc with the ""right"" GPU / GPU mem MHz combos

...I'm testing the 3770K at 5.2 GHz and the 3970X at 5.250 GHz over the next week(s) as I just locked in safe settings after building up speed and memory OC profiles as part of a 670 scaling update I want to provide here...if the assumptions are correct, the pick up in Valley scores compared to 5.125 should almost be linear compared to the gains I had when going from 5 GHz to 5.125GHz, for the Sandy-E at least.

...since a 670 is more or less 1/2 Titan (re CUDA cores at least), what seems to follow is that when you are running 4 Titans, to get the 'full benefit / full potential', you need to run a Sandy-E at 5.6 to 5.7 GHz ?! ..,which means one heck of a sub-zero cooling solution wink.gif
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post #4482 of 13339
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Originally Posted by KaRLiToS View Post


I am not sure if we should allow Nv driver tweaking. Honestly, I really don't know what to do.

What will happen to AMD scores? They don't have the same capability of tweakin?

I think I'll open a poll about this.

I also did some reading about this issue, and honestly, no one can tell though. If someone submits their score without stating that they did any tweaks in the control panel, they would be added to the chart without questions. And i am sure a lot of people have done it in the past without even realizing that it might not be allowed. Some people just randomly have their own personal settings they use all the time even while gaming. So idk if it should be regarded as "Cheating".

It's different if they were making some changes with Custom Drivers from 3rd party users, but it's Nvidia's Legit Drivers... I also see your point though, I guess it won't be fair to the AMD users. However, it should be regarded as a perk for Nvidia users biggrin.gif

I mean if it was cheating, then a lot of 3dmark 11 scores should be invalid... just like this one.
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So have we decided that all these are acceptable?
Simple: (some help, some don’t make much difference)
Using programs like Game Booster
Switching to Classic windows theme
Raising the priority of the Valley process
Terminating other processes, like explorer.exe
Hitting the enter key to scroll through the scenes before hitting F9
Multi-display/mixed-GPU acceleration changed to single display performance mode
Power management mode changed to prefer maximum performance
Vertical sync changed to off
Only have one monitor plugged into your card(s)

Extra tweaks: (definitely makes a difference)
Texture filtering – Quality changed to High performance
Changing “use my preference emphasizing:” to Performance

It is statically significant to use these settings, that is not in question. It is not, however, a large difference. With changes I can do 62.7 at 1440p but with no changes to anything I get 59.2. Both these scores are with the exact same overclock on core and memory.

It is just my opinion but the easiest thing to do is put all these standard tweaks (plus any others I might have missed) in the op and then everyone can use them.

Using windows classic theme has worked for some extra points, so did image quality set to performance and using max power mode in NVCP, the others I haven't tried. Also those tweaks are probably good for maybe 8 to 10 points, now game boosters not sure if those do much or are seen as cheating since I've never used them.
Edited by Dirtylarry86 - 5/26/13 at 12:20pm
post #4484 of 13339
Tweaking AMD drivers doesn't change nothing at all unless you use radeon pro.

Should Radeon Pro be allowed?
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post #4485 of 13339
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Tweaking AMD drivers doesn't change nothing at all unless you use radeon pro.

Should Radeon Pro be allowed?

Is Radeon Pro 3rd party? If it is, then i don't know... rolleyes.gif
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Tweaking AMD drivers doesn't change nothing at all unless you use radeon pro.

Should Radeon Pro be allowed?

Well if Nvidia guys are allowed to tweak in their drivers why shouldnt we?
 
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Is Radeon Pro 3rd party? If it is, then i don't know... rolleyes.gif

I would say 2nd party. tongue.gif

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Originally Posted by Rangerjr1 View Post

Well if Nvidia guys are allowed to tweak in their drivers why shouldnt we?

I know, that's why I am asking.

I want it to be fair for everyone and I know radeon pro is a great tool that might be implemented in catalyst later on.

I don't mind if ranking of people changed and all. The only thing I want to keep intact are the graphs. I don't want all Nvidia setups to gain 3-5 fps when AMD setups remains the same because they can't tweak catalyst.
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Radeon pro is a completely different can of worms that you don't want to open as its 3rd party. At that point you might as well allow LOD tweaking. Look it up, you don't want it allowed here.
 
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Radeon pro is a completely different can of worms that you don't want to open as its 3rd party. At that point you might as well allow LOD tweaking. Look it up, you don't want it allowed here.

So Driver tweaking yes but no LOD?
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WaterCool MoRA3 Pro with Gentle Typhoon 3 x MCP 655 pumps (With EK top...all serial) 2 x EK FC 1080ti Blocks Windows 7 Ultimate x64 
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Asus ROG Swift PG348Q (3440x1440 @100hz) CrossOver 27Q Led-P Logitech G15 EVGA SuperNova 1600T2 (Titanium) 
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Corsair Obsidian Heavily Modded Logitech G700 RocketFish Speed/Control M-audio AV-40 (Logitech G-35) 
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Best solution is just to allow 1st party driver options to be used while disallowing any 3rd party programs. It's simple and easy.

If you get into the 3rd party tools then there are some pretty crazy methods out there that you could use to boost your score. Disallowing those one by one just seems silly.
 
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CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
[i7 5960X @ 4.8GHz] [Rampage V Extreme] [Titan 1400MHz (1500MHz bench)] [Various] 
Hard DriveCoolingCoolingCooling
[250GB 840EVO +2x SpinpointF3 1TB RAID0] [LD PC-V2 SS Phase Change] [XSPC X2O 750 pump/res] [Monsta 360 full copper + EK XT 360 + XT 240] 
MonitorPowerCaseAudio
[Crossover 27Q LED-P 1440p+ASUS 1200p+LG 1080p] [Corsair AX1200] [Dimastech Easy v3.0] [Sennheiser HD558s] 
CPUCPUMotherboardGraphics
FX 8320, FX 8350, Phenom II x2 555BE i7 3930K, i7 860, i7 4770K, 68x Celeron D CVF, commando, 2x RIVE, Z87X-OC Asus 4870x2, Sapphire 4870 
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2x 5870, 5850, 5830, 5770 2x 3870x2, 3870 GTX Titan, GTX 480, GTX 590 GTX 285, GTX 260, 4x 9800GT, 8800GTX 
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4x4GB vengeance, 2x4GB predatorX, 2x1GB OCZ DDR2 Intel X25-M 80GB LD PC-V2 SS Phase Change OCN Marksman 
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2x old tek slims (GPU) Various watercooling stuff win7, winxp AX1200 
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test bench / cardboard box 
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CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
[i7 5960X @ 4.8GHz] [Rampage V Extreme] [Titan 1400MHz (1500MHz bench)] [Various] 
Hard DriveCoolingCoolingCooling
[250GB 840EVO +2x SpinpointF3 1TB RAID0] [LD PC-V2 SS Phase Change] [XSPC X2O 750 pump/res] [Monsta 360 full copper + EK XT 360 + XT 240] 
MonitorPowerCaseAudio
[Crossover 27Q LED-P 1440p+ASUS 1200p+LG 1080p] [Corsair AX1200] [Dimastech Easy v3.0] [Sennheiser HD558s] 
CPUCPUMotherboardGraphics
FX 8320, FX 8350, Phenom II x2 555BE i7 3930K, i7 860, i7 4770K, 68x Celeron D CVF, commando, 2x RIVE, Z87X-OC Asus 4870x2, Sapphire 4870 
GraphicsGraphicsGraphicsGraphics
2x 5870, 5850, 5830, 5770 2x 3870x2, 3870 GTX Titan, GTX 480, GTX 590 GTX 285, GTX 260, 4x 9800GT, 8800GTX 
RAMHard DriveCoolingCooling
4x4GB vengeance, 2x4GB predatorX, 2x1GB OCZ DDR2 Intel X25-M 80GB LD PC-V2 SS Phase Change OCN Marksman 
CoolingCoolingOSPower
2x old tek slims (GPU) Various watercooling stuff win7, winxp AX1200 
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test bench / cardboard box 
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