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Have some people used these tweaks to post scores in the data currently?
Yes.
Will some people use these tweaks to post scores in the data in the future?
Yes.
Can we check or prevent people from using these tweaks?
Not that I know of.

I am not sure there is an easy solution except to let people use them.

Simple driver tweaks that are part of the official drivers seem ok, LOD or third party programs are not something we should do, and we have already disallowed integrated graphics which makes sense.
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Best solution is just to allow 1st party driver options to be used while disallowing any 3rd party programs. It's simple and easy.

If you get into the 3rd party tools then there are some pretty crazy methods out there that you could use to boost your score. Disallowing those one by one just seems silly.

exactly what i wanted to say, I myself know some applications (which i won't state), they are 3rd party, and they would shock a lot of people. Allowing 3rd party would only mess up everything. If 3rd party applications are allowed, don't blame me if you see a 660 (non ti) getting up to 47fps lol
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I would like no driver tweaking. Most people have put up scores that are without driver tweaking because they don't even know about it. I didn't even know about the performance slider thing in Nvidia control panel until mentioned it some pages ago.

Now because there is a high score, you're going to get a guy saying "but how" like on my screen shot a few pages ago. Stupid.
    
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I would like no driver tweaking. Most people have put up scores that are without driver tweaking because they don't even know about it. I didn't even know about the performance slider thing in Nvidia control panel until mentioned it some pages ago.

Now because there is a high score, you're going to get a guy saying "but how" like on my screen shot a few pages ago. Stupid.


That thought of "but how" really can apply to anything though.. The fact that Nvidia makes it readily available without needing any 3rd party interaction is merely something that gives more comparison to AMD vs Nvidia. Drivers play a major part in performance and if this is available via Nvidia through their Drivers then to me it is a feature that Nvidia users should be capable of utilizing. Now changing the LOD definitely is something that should be banished.. but luckily that can typically be seen in the real time screenshots that people are providing (it'd look crazy blurry).
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That thought of "but how" really can apply to anything though.. The fact that Nvidia makes it readily available without needing any 3rd party interaction is merely something that gives more comparison to AMD vs Nvidia. Drivers play a major part in performance and if this is available via Nvidia through their Drivers then to me it is a feature that Nvidia users should be capable of utilizing.

What?

I think we should have the same IQ. I vote for default drivers 1 fps more is nothing. We must be honest and all we should start from zero
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What?

I think we should have the same IQ. I vote for default drivers 1 fps more is nothing. We must be honest and all we should start from zero


If that's the case then we should have standardized drivers then. AMD and Nvidia optimizing for benchmarks and games is no different than someone optimizing their 3D performance using the settings available in said drivers.
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That thought of "but how" really can apply to anything though.. The fact that Nvidia makes it readily available without needing any 3rd party interaction is merely something that gives more comparison to AMD vs Nvidia. Drivers play a major part in performance and if this is available via Nvidia through their Drivers then to me it is a feature that Nvidia users should be capable of utilizing. Now changing the LOD definitely is something that should be banished.. but luckily that can typically be seen in the real time screenshots that people are providing (it'd look crazy blurry).

Let me do a benchmark run with RadeonPro.
 
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Tweaking AMD drivers doesn't change nothing at all unless you use radeon pro.

Should Radeon Pro be allowed?

...I honestly think you should adopt HWBot's regs on this (who grappled with it for some time).

This is a slippery slope of semantics and connotative meanings anyways...what is a 'tweak' and what is a simple, available setting in a WHQL-APPROVED or even NVidia- supplied beta driver ? I have multiple monitors but also twice as many machines as monitors - thus each machine only gets one monitor plug at the back, so I set 'single monitor' mode - anyone who calls that a cheat - or even a tweak - is out to lunch IMO - that is a driver setting

...and how are you going to check if someone runs the basic Wndows theme or the resource-affecting more fancy ones ? And should you even check - their business... never mind the 'proving a negative' situation I already referred to before.

...as I posted already yesterday, you can add to the OP what all the best setup tips are for NVdia and AMD - as long as they are within each companies' offered regular driver menu. I would have a bit more trouble with 'game boosters' and other 3rd party enhancements as you are trying to get to a 'level playing field' solution, but may be that is s.th. you can put to a vote.

...there is another issue which is even harder to get to...I'm in the software biz (not Vid / GPU related) but know a few GPU related software executives...one of them is developing for '4k' as we speak...they use AMD only (for now) as a development tool as the drivers are basically open-source - unlike NVidia...THAT opens a whole bunch of other Pandora's boxes as a good programmer could hack a way to his/her heart's content...I am certainly NOT suggesting that that is actually happening here with any of the scores, but the potential is there...and you would never know as the 'Valley score' gate-keeper.

...it is obvious that you have always striven for a 'balanced' thread here...may I suggest:

1 - anything in the manufacturers' available driver setting menu - be it AMD or NVidia - should not even be called a 'tweak' , never mind a 'cheat' - if it's , well, a setting
2 - review HWBot's materials on this question (FtW 420 can help there, also as a OCN Benchmark Editor - why not ask him? He runs both AMD and NVidia...)
3- '3rd-party' items such as 'game boosters' could be allowed if they are available for both AMD and NVidia (ie of they just deal with Windows processes instead of GPU-specific things)
Edited by Joa3d43 - 5/26/13 at 12:56pm
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If setting to performance in CP I can get up to 83FPS. Not sure how I feel about that though. I feel like my real best score is still 80FPS...
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Let me do a benchmark run with RadeonPro.

I'm not referring to RadeonPro though since that's third party and not directly affiliated with AMD in any way.
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