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Weird.

Tried following the tweaks, OCing my i73770k to 5 GHz setting offset to +1.10 and LLC to extreme on my ASUS MB, and got a wooping 13 FPS worse performance than my best score running Valley on SLI TITANs bigeyedsmiley.png

TITANs @ 1176/3758 MHz. Tried lowering CPU to 4.8, 4.7, lowering mem OC, setting LLC back to high and I´m still getting way worse results than before.

Any thoughts?
Edited by Devnant - 5/27/13 at 9:05am
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Originally Posted by Devnant View Post

Weird.

Tried following the tweaks, OCing my i73770k to 5 GHz setting offset to +1.10 and LLC to extreme on my ASUS MB, and got a wooping 13 FPS worse performance than my best score running Valley on SLI TITANs bigeyedsmiley.png

TITANs @ 1176/3758 MHz. Tried lowering CPU to 4.8, 4.7, lowering mem OC, setting LLC back to high and I´m still getting way worse results than before.

Any thoughts?

If your experience is like mine has been, you won't get much of anything from CPU overclocking with this bench.

Edit: what changed from when you were getting results that you were satisfied with? New drivers?
Edited by stahlhart - 5/27/13 at 9:24am
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Originally Posted by stahlhart View Post

If your experience is like mine has been, you won't get much of anything from CPU overclocking with this bench.

Edit: what changed from when you were getting results that you were satisfied with? New drivers?

Those tweaks everyone was posting for better Valley results.
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Sorry to make you work so hard buddy, but I've been working myself. Getting closer....

hotrod717 - i7 3770K @ 4.6 - 7970 Matrix 1875/1850 - 58,6 / 2452



Don't have access or desire use ln2 so 60.2 + is what I'm aiming for!tongue.gif
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My long post on allowing standard driver choice option changes. Please comment on anything that could be changed or added, and we need some AMD specifics: Warning: Spoiler! (Click to show)
Common to AMD and Nvidia:
We should not allow:
-Any third party programs
-Any integrated graphics
-Anything that alters the way Valley runs or looks, from FtW420:
“For a limit, I would say nothing that alters the way the bench looks or runs. No wireframe hacks, LOD, tessellation changes, time cheats & driver modifications.”

Allowed:
+Minimal os installs
+Changing your os theme
+Shutting down background processes
+Increasing priority of processes
+Hitting the enter key to scroll through the scenes before hitting F9
+Only have one monitor plugged into your card(s)
+Ocing the chip and gpu(s) to the max, it only has to be stable enough for a screenshot

We should allow any normal, standard setting to be changed in the standard release drivers.
Specific to Nvidia Control Panel:
+Multi-display/mixed-GPU acceleration changed to single display performance mode
+Power management mode changed to prefer maximum performance
+Vertical sync changed to off
+Texture filtering – Quality changed to High performance
+Changing “use my preference emphasizing:” to Performance in Image Settings

Specific to AMD:
(I have not had an AMD card in a while so I can’t comment for this section. Could someone else post what should go here?)

IMO, why the above should be accepted:
1) The majority here have approved it so far
2) FtW420 is our benchmarking expert and he has approved of this
3) We have no way to check or stop people from doing it
4) It is built into the standard release drivers, these are not added/modified tweaks
5) AMD users have a huge price/performance advantage, this could be viewed as part of the premium Nvidia users pay
6) Custom bios are allowed, but some cards can’t use them and that is a significant disadvantage but we allow it
7) These driver option changes do increase your score, but not by a large amount

I honestly understand people’s opposition to this. Some feel that it is not right to use any setting or oc that you don’t use for 24/7. I wouldn’t mind if we went either way with this if we could check for it or prevent it in anyway, but since we can’t, allowing it seems our best option.

Do we want to spend time on many futures posts where people question/deny using or not using these driver option choices?


I think other members should comment on this. I don't know much about tweaking. (or nothing, my QuadFire score of 149fps was done with OC on the cards and on the CPU, nothing else.)

My main concern is I want it to be fair for everyone.

That's it.


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Originally Posted by hotrod717 View Post

Sorry to make you work so hard buddy, but I've been working myself. Getting closer....

hotrod717 - i7 3770K @ 4.6 - 7970 Matrix 1875/1850 - 58,6 / 2452



Don't have access or desire use ln2 so 60.2 + is what I'm aiming for!tongue.gif

Post as much score as you want, you are not making me work any harder. wink.gif
Edited by KaRLiToS - 5/27/13 at 9:54am
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Weird.

Tried following the tweaks, OCing my i73770k to 5 GHz setting offset to +1.10 and LLC to extreme on my ASUS MB, and got a wooping 13 FPS worse performance than my best score running Valley on SLI TITANs bigeyedsmiley.png

TITANs @ 1176/3758 MHz. Tried lowering CPU to 4.8, 4.7, lowering mem OC, setting LLC back to high and I´m still getting way worse results than before.

Any thoughts?
An offset of 1.1 would be impossible so I am not sure what you are using. Most of us have found that LLC to Ultra high is the best way to go. It doesn’t sound like you are stable on the chip oc. Have you looked through this thread?
http://www.overclock.net/t/1291703/ivy-bridge-overclocking-guide-asus-motherboards
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@justanoldman

Thanks you for dressing the list of tweaks that is allowed in Windows and in Nvidia control panel. And also the ones that are not allowed.

Now I need someone to establish the ones that are allowed on AMD side.


I'll create a list soon in the OP.

Also, I will probably add a column in the charts and a question in the form with Yes or No answer if tweaks were used.
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Weird.

Tried following the tweaks, OCing my i73770k to 5 GHz setting offset to +1.10 and LLC to extreme on my ASUS MB, and got a wooping 13 FPS worse performance than my best score running Valley on SLI TITANs bigeyedsmiley.png

TITANs @ 1176/3758 MHz. Tried lowering CPU to 4.8, 4.7, lowering mem OC, setting LLC back to high and I´m still getting way worse results than before.

Any thoughts?

...that's because some of the 'lists' here contain things which are actually mutually exclusive biggrin.gif - I have seen two tips here on 'performance' settings that if you use them both at the same time, for example tri-SLI GTX 670 scores dropped from 5694 to 5430 - "Caveat emptor", I suppose....best do a clean driver re-install

...I think FtW420, Alatar and others have already given a pretty good hint (more than once) what shouldn't be allowed...and folks have yet to confront the 'legality' of for example custom BIOS w/200%++ PowerTargets etc...that's what I meant with slippery slope earlier.... at the end of the day, all the 'tweaks' really are are win7 registry settings.

...on my system, and using the tri-SLI as a base (rather than the quad-SLI I also run), I gained s.th. like 200 points by coming up with a custom cooling solution for the stock-air-cooled cards...simply put, I traded some syringes of liquid metal TIM for an extra-long flexible SLI bridge used by some of the pros...once I eliminated the Asus tri-bridge hard 'PCB' and substituted the longer flex-bridge, the cards could breathe much better, and the 1st and 2nd card weren't at 71 C+ by 'scene 4 out of 18' already (thus throttling already). I gained another 270 score points by fundamentally changing main memory (quad channel) via different speeds and timing... smile.gif
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