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You can't ban a tweak unless you can detect it. If you can't detect it a ban is meaningless. 2cents.gif
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I almost think that its more simple if we don't allow tweaks AT all, That way, we are sure that everything will be fair.

I don't mind about Windows tweaks but we shouldn't mess with our drivers control panel, that way, everybody is on the same level?


I am questionning myself? Why use tweaks to only add 1.8 fps to the overall score.
Edited by KaRLiToS - 5/27/13 at 11:03am
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Why not?

Tweaking has always been a part of benching, an important part at that. As long as the tweaks do not directly affect how the benchmark runs or looks it should be fine. If we want to be more strict no 3rd party programs should be allowed, and even then detecting them can be hard.

I mean there's no such thing as a level playing field. Anyone can set a driver option just as easily as they can bump up their clocks in afterburner. Not everyone can flash bioses, should we ban bios modding? Not everyone can overclock, should we ban overclocking? Same goes for some basic tweaking. Benching is about getting the most out of your system, software is a big part of that, it isn't just about hardware. Tweaking and OCing takes some knowhow, that's how it's supposed to be.

So again, as long as the tweak doesn't affect how the bench runs or how it looks, and is readily available for all users then why would it be wrong in any way to use the tweak? It's just another way of getting more out of your system, in no way does the kind of tweaking people have been describing here count as cheating.
 
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An offset of 1.1 would be impossible so I am not sure what you are using. Most of us have found that LLC to Ultra high is the best way to go. It doesn’t sound like you are stable on the chip oc. Have you looked through this thread?
http://www.overclock.net/t/1291703/ivy-bridge-overclocking-guide-asus-motherboards

Sorry. Mistype. It was 0.110 not 1.1 lol

Yeah. I think CPU OC wasn´t stable even for a benchmark run. Gonna do a few more tests later. Thanks for the tips.
Edited by Devnant - 5/27/13 at 11:23am
post #4595 of 13339
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I almost think that its more simple if we don't allow tweaks AT all, That way, we are sure that everything will be fair.

I don't mind about Windows tweaks but we shouldn't mess with our drivers control panel, that way, everybody is on the same level?


I am questionning myself? Why use tweaks to only add 1.8 fps to the overall score.
That would be fine if you could detect it somehow, and some of the driver choices are done by people in everyday setups, so saying you can’t do any doesn’t really make sense. There is only one that makes the most difference and that is taking the slider from Quality to Performance in Image Settings.

As Alancsalt just posted, you can’t detect which are used or not, so you already have people that have used them in the scores here, and you will have them used in the future.

Three moderators have basically said we should allow it, and the majority here have voted for it which is pretty good since I assume there would be understandable bias against it from AMD guys since this will increase most Nvidia setups by a few fps.
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Why not?
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Tweaking has always been a part of benching, an important part at that. As long as the tweaks do not directly affect how the benchmark runs or looks it should be fine. If we want to be more strict no 3rd party programs should be allowed, and even then detecting them can be hard.

I mean there's no such thing as a level playing field. Anyone can set a driver option just as easily as they can bump up their clocks in afterburner. Not everyone can flash bioses, should we ban bios modding? Not everyone can overclock, should we ban overclocking? Same goes for some basic tweaking. Benching is about getting the most out of your system, software is a big part of that, it isn't just about hardware. Tweaking and OCing takes some knowhow, that's how it's supposed to be.

So again, as long as the tweak doesn't affect how the bench runs or how it looks, and is readily available for all users then why would it be wrong in any way to use the tweak? It's just another way of getting more out of your system, in no way does the kind of tweaking people have been describing here count as cheating.

I know what you mean. But I question myself if AMD tweaking is as worth as Nvidia tweaking.
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...that's because some of the 'lists' here contain things which are actually mutually exclusive biggrin.gif - I have seen two tips here on 'performance' settings that if you use them both at the same time, for example tri-SLI GTX 670 scores dropped from 5694 to 5430 - "Caveat emptor", I suppose....best do a clean driver re-install

...I think FtW420, Alatar and others have already given a pretty good hint (more than once) what shouldn't be allowed...and folks have yet to confront the 'legality' of for example custom BIOS w/200%++ PowerTargets etc...that's what I meant with slippery slope earlier.... at the end of the day, all the 'tweaks' really are are win7 registry settings.

...on my system, and using the tri-SLI as a base (rather than the quad-SLI I also run), I gained s.th. like 200 points by coming up with a custom cooling solution for the stock-air-cooled cards...simply put, I traded some syringes of liquid metal TIM for an extra-long flexible SLI bridge used by some of the pros...once I eliminated the Asus tri-bridge hard 'PCB' and substituted the longer flex-bridge, the cards could breathe much better, and the 1st and 2nd card weren't at 71 C+ by 'scene 4 out of 18' already (thus throttling already). I gained another 270 score points by fundamentally changing main memory (quad channel) via different speeds and timing... smile.gif

Well TBH, if TITAN users don´t use custom BIOS, they´ll just throttle and scores will be worse than 780s.

That´s because 265W simply is not enough for the extra CUDA cores and SMX the TITAN has over the 780.
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Sorry. Mistype. It was 0.110 not 1.1 lol

Yeah. I think CPU OC wasn´t stable even for a benchmark run. Gonna do a few more tests later. Thanks for the tips.
That would be pretty low for 5.0 unless you have a rather high VID. I would get the chip stable at the highest multiplier you can with reasonable voltage/temps then worry about the gpu oc.
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That would be pretty low for 5.0 unless you have a rather high VID. I would get the chip stable at the highest multiplier you can with reasonable voltage/temps then worry about the gpu oc.

Would you reckon setting LLC to ultra high, and manually adjusting voltage to 1.5 would be ok for a bench run @ 5GHz?
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Would you reckon setting LLC to ultra high, and manually adjusting voltage to 1.5 would be ok for a bench run @ 5GHz?
You have a delidded chip? I wouldn’t try that voltage unless you have really good temps. Every chip is different and they all hit the wall at different places. Do you know one multiplier with a voltage that you know is 24/7 stable? Based on that we can guess what 5.0 might need.
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