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post #4601 of 13339
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Originally Posted by Alatar View Post

Why not?

Tweaking has always been a part of benching, an important part at that. As long as the tweaks do not directly affect how the benchmark runs or looks it should be fine. If we want to be more strict no 3rd party programs should be allowed, and even then detecting them can be hard.

I mean there's no such thing as a level playing field. Anyone can set a driver option just as easily as they can bump up their clocks in afterburner. Not everyone can flash bioses, should we ban bios modding? Not everyone can overclock, should we ban overclocking? Same goes for some basic tweaking. Benching is about getting the most out of your system, software is a big part of that, it isn't just about hardware. Tweaking and OCing takes some knowhow, that's how it's supposed to be.

So again, as long as the tweak doesn't affect how the bench runs or how it looks, and is readily available for all users then why would it be wrong in any way to use the tweak? It's just another way of getting more out of your system, in no way does the kind of tweaking people have been describing here count as cheating.

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I assure Karlitos, allowing 3rd party applications in the pursuit of "fairness" will RUIN everything. It's Nvidia and AMD, two different companies that don't work the same way. Why should Nvidia users not use what their company provided for them all in the name of Fairness? rolleyes.gif

I mean, it's not our fault that AMD does not provide things that can benefit their users (same reason why most people say Nvidia drivers are still better). I mean, in the Olympics track and field events, some people are tall, while some are short, taller people can cover longer distances with a single stride (which is considered a perk for them), if that was "unfair" then the rules should be that everyone should be the same height lol, but that can't happen.

The only way this bench can be 100% fair is if everyone had the same setup components, with the same brand of GPU.
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post #4602 of 13339
Don't worry, I don't even want tweaks, don't expect me to accept third party tools wink.gif

I'll take a decision tonight with the help of everyone.

Just FYI guys, I don't consider this as MY thread, I consider this as OUR OCN thread.

I want everyone to be happy with how it's going.
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post #4603 of 13339
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Originally Posted by KaRLiToS View Post

I almost think that its more simple if we don't allow tweaks AT all, That way, we are sure that everything will be fair.

I don't mind about Windows tweaks but we shouldn't mess with our drivers control panel, that way, everybody is on the same level?


I am questionning myself? Why use tweaks to only add 1.8 fps to the overall score.

I agree 100%.
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Slightly off topic but seeing how today is Memorial day in the US.... when everyone replies how are we going to know what setting or tweak was used it really bothers me. What the hell ever happened to a thing called "honor".

That's 99% of the problems in the world today, no one has any semblance of honor anymore within themselves or towards others. It's sad that so many have died in the name of honor supporting something they don't even understand, only because they gave their word to uphold their responsibilities. Today of all days makes me sad that this is the world today, not the world I grew up in and believed and fought for.

Sorry Karlitos for the intrusion.
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You have a delidded chip? I wouldn’t try that voltage unless you have really good temps. Every chip is different and they all hit the wall at different places. Do you know one multiplier with a voltage that you know is 24/7 stable? Based on that we can guess what 5.0 might need.

No, not delidded. I run my PC 24/7 stable @ 4.5 GHz (x45 multiplier) with a 0.035 offset and LLC set to high. Max temps on prime95 below 75 C, but on air (Noctua-D14). VCORE around 1.24 when CPU load is high.
Edited by Devnant - 5/27/13 at 12:17pm
post #4606 of 13339
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Slightly off topic but seeing how today is Memorial day in the US.... when everyone replies how are we going to know what setting or tweak was used it really bothers me. What the hell ever happened to a thing called "honor".

That's 99% of the problems in the world today, no one has any semblance of honor anymore within themselves or towards others. It's sad that so many have died in the name of honor supporting something they don't even understand, only because they gave their word to uphold their responsibilities. Today of all days makes me sad that this is the world today, not the world I grew up in and believed and fought for.

Sorry Karlitos for the intrusion.

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what fps gain did you get, ive seen up to 10fps with a overclocked trifire 7950 setup
wow you really gunna lie like that, Im not one for posting pm's but


thats just pathetic
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No, not delidded. I run my PC 24/7 stable @ 4.5 GHz (x45 multiplier) with a 0.035 offset and LLC set to high. Max temps on prime95 below 75 C, but on air (Noctua-D14). VCORE around 1.24 when CPU load is high.
If 1.24v stabilizes 4.5 then 5.0 could need 1.55v+ assuming you don’t hit the wall anywhere, which is a big assumption. Obviously you can do with less vCore just to run one benchmarks vs. being really stable, but it is hard to say what your chip will let you do without testing it and watching temps.

Non delidded Ivy usually cause temp to run too high as soon as you get close to 1.4v. You have really high scores already, it may just have been something was off somewhere when you got the score drop. If you change the slider to performance, then change something in the 3d setting’s page, that can undo your changes to the slider.
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I have sent an e-mail to Hwbot and we'll see what they say about this.
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If 1.24v stabilizes 4.5 then 5.0 could need 1.55v+ assuming you don’t hit the wall anywhere, which is a big assumption. Obviously you can do with less vCore just to run one benchmarks vs. being really stable, but it is hard to say what your chip will let you do without testing it and watching temps.

Non delidded Ivy usually cause temp to run too high as soon as you get close to 1.4v. You have really high scores already, it may just have been something was off somewhere when you got the score drop. If you change the slider to performance, then change something in the 3d setting’s page, that can undo your changes to the slider.

K thanks. I suppose it's time to start studying a lot for water cooling.
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