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Here's is my .02 in this.

Modified bios is just fine. Why? Because you are tweaking your card not the test.

Any driver setting or 3rd party program that changes the image quality of the test not allowed. If we're not all running the same benchmark anymore, what is the point?

The idea is for everyone to run the test exactly the same and what happens, happens.

The only setting in my NV control panel that made a difference was the "adjust image setting slider" which gained me a whopping .7 fps. And I did not submit that score.
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Last I checked AMD's drivers have the option for "AMD Optimized" tessellation... How is this any different than using Nvidia Control Panel to optimize?

You may as well call AMD cheaters since they have an optimized Tessellation profile.


Edit:
Changing settings in Nvidia Control Panel are not cheats, tweaks or anything. Its readily available and is intended to be used by us. The only ones that seem to really be complaining about it are those who did not know about it.


I feel like this has gotten completely idiotic and people are blowing this out of proportion. LOD Tweaking, Wireframes are by far something that should not be allowed but enabling TEXTURE FILTERING OPTIMIZATIONS set by Nvidia should be allowed if AMD users can use an AMD Optimized Tessellation setting.




Drivers can make or a break a card and we all know this.. so why not include the ability to use available driver options in our scoring. (Aka not 3rd party)
Edited by Feud - 5/27/13 at 3:43pm
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Ok you win.smile.gif
I wish there was a bios I could use, oh well.[/quote]
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I am afraid that this thread that I have put so many efforts and more than 300 hours of job into it turns into a cheat festival.


Only option then is to rely on the honor system. Put the rules in the OP and go from there.
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zinfinion ---- i5 2500k @ 4.0 GHz ---- GTX 780 ; 1228 / 3591 ---- 74.0 ---- 3097





And with 2 tweaks in the NVCP, I was able to get this:



Make of that what you will. thumb.gif
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I am afraid that this thread that I have put so many efforts and more than 300 hours of job into it turns into a cheat festival.

Karlitos - clearly you have made one of the very popular/visited and informative threads on OCN... candidate for thread of the year IMHO if there is such a thing. One way to look at this? Participants are allowed to use a non-OEM moded bios, hard mods (I assume), chillers, LN2 (LOL) etc, all sorts of "tweaks" if you will, so why get upset or single in on peeps putzing around with settings in either the NVidia or AMD Catalyst control panels. The posts that have been made listing OS and CP changes to squeeze out a few more FPS seem trivial compared with changes to bios. Frankly, I find it hard to believe that anyone who has been flashing and modding bios' did not, and has not always used the OS and control panel settings... really hard to believe. Personally, I eeked out an additional 2-4 FPS with the OS/CP settings - BFD. Certainly folks are completing a valley run anyway it can complete, looking at Picasso-esque frames and big blue splotches on the screen... I do wonder what the charts would look like if there was an artifact counter in Valley wink.gif

Like you have said before, the data set is the win here and a few outliers do not affect the conclusions.
You have and are doing an amazing job on this. The "winner" is the entire community of users.
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HWBot rules for Unigine Heaven:

Allowed optimisations:
Driver settings finetuning.
Tesselation tweaking.

Disallowed tweaks/cheats:
Mipmap
Any software or human interaction altering the perceived speed of the benchmark program, tricking it to believe it ran faster.
Wireframe hacks: any software or driver causing a benchmark program not (properly) render the textures.
Rendered image differs too much from the original due to other software tweaking.
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Karlitos - clearly you have made one of the very popular/visited and informative threads on OCN... candidate for thread of the year IMHO if there is such a thing. One way to look at this? Participants are allowed to use a non-OEM moded bios, hard mods (I assume), chillers, LN2 (LOL) etc, all sorts of "tweaks" if you will, so why get upset or single in on peeps putzing around with settings in either the NVidia or AMD Catalyst control panels. The posts that have been made listing OS and CP changes to squeeze out a few more FPS seem trivial compared with changes to bios. Frankly, I find it hard to believe that anyone who has been flashing and modding bios' did not, and has not always used the OS and control panel settings... really hard to believe. Personally, I eeked out an additional 2-4 FPS with the OS/CP settings - BFD. Certainly folks are completing a valley run anyway it can complete, looking at Picasso-esque frames and big blue splotches on the screen... I do wonder want the charts would look like if there was an artifact counter in Valley wink.gif

Like you have said before, the data set is the win here and a few outliers do not affect the conclusions.
You have and are doing an amazing job on this. The "winner" is the entire community of users.

Yes, you are right, the Bolded text is where I care the most. as long as the average is not affected.

And by the way, my whopping 149 fps score was made with pure OC only, no tweaks at all.

I need someone who is kind enough, to establish what is allowed and what is not, I think FtW420 would be well placed to do so. 'm no Hwbot expert.[/I





Edit, so alancsalt, should I put this in the main OP?

Along with justanoldman post

Quote:
Originally Posted by justanoldman View Post

My long post on allowing standard driver choice option changes. Please comment on anything that could be changed or added, and we need some AMD specifics:

Warning: Spoiler! (Click to show)
Common to AMD and Nvidia:
We should not allow:
-Any third party programs
-Any integrated graphics
-Anything that alters the way Valley runs or looks, from FtW420:
“For a limit, I would say nothing that alters the way the bench looks or runs. No wireframe hacks, LOD, tessellation changes, time cheats & driver modifications.”

Allowed:
+Minimal os installs
+Changing your os theme
+Shutting down background processes
+Increasing priority of processes
+Hitting the enter key to scroll through the scenes before hitting F9
+Only have one monitor plugged into your card(s)
+Ocing the chip and gpu(s) to the max, it only has to be stable enough for a screenshot

We should allow any normal, standard setting to be changed in the standard release drivers.
Specific to Nvidia Control Panel:
+Multi-display/mixed-GPU acceleration changed to single display performance mode
+Power management mode changed to prefer maximum performance
+Vertical sync changed to off
+Texture filtering – Quality changed to High performance
+Changing “use my preference emphasizing:” to Performance in Image Settings

Specific to AMD:
(I have not had an AMD card in a while so I can’t comment for this section. Could someone else post what should go here?)

IMO, why the above should be accepted:
1) The majority here have approved it so far
2) FtW420 is our benchmarking expert and he has approved of this
3) We have no way to check or stop people from doing it
4) It is built into the standard release drivers, these are not added/modified tweaks
5) AMD users have a huge price/performance advantage, this could be viewed as part of the premium Nvidia users pay
6) Custom bios are allowed, but some cards can’t use them and that is a significant disadvantage but we allow it
7) These driver option changes do increase your score, but not by a large amount

I honestly understand people’s opposition to this. Some feel that it is not right to use any setting or oc that you don’t use for 24/7. I wouldn’t mind if we went either way with this if we could check for it or prevent it in anyway, but since we can’t, allowing it seems our best option.

Do we want to spend time on many futures posts where people question/deny using or not using these driver option choices?
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HWBot rules for Unigine Heaven:

Allowed optimisations:
Driver settings finetuning.
Tesselation tweaking.

Disallowed tweaks/cheats:
Mipmap
Any software or human interaction altering the perceived speed of the benchmark program, tricking it to believe it ran faster.
Wireframe hacks: any software or driver causing a benchmark program not (properly) render the textures.
Rendered image differs too much from the original due to other software tweaking.

+1, these are definitely what the rules should be.
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+ rep. nice work (and analysis)

the gpu clock thing... is there a simple (linear) way to convert the reported valley clocks to real clocks?

and post again so I can pop a few more rep! thumb.gif

Thanks man. That Valley reporting wrong core frequency thing is related to BIOS I think. Somewhere either in this thread earlier or in the Titan owner thread I read it. It's very possible you just need to minus a certain number to get the real one but I'm too lazy to figure it out now. upsidedwnsmiley.gif
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