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Originally Posted by KaRLiToS View Post

But why you would want to lower you IQ to beat someone with normal IQ? I almost call this cheating, IMO, the best way to beat him is to OC more.


Because its a benchmark and not a game. It's meant to test performance and gauge it by producing a score. Cheating would be modifying the level of detail or using purely wireframes without textures. Drivers effect performance just as much as overclocking which is why Nvidia and AMD are continously trying to optimize their products to run better on various games and benchmarks. This is merely one option that Nvidia allows its users to have control over.

If this were say a Metro Last Light benchmark thread I'd be all for keeping IQ but this is purely a benchmark and nothing more.

OCN's Motto is "The Pursuit of Performance".. Not the "Pursuit of Image Quality".. Changing the texture filtering is a valid and readily available option to pursue more performance that is provided by Nvidia.


Besides... AMD has Texture Filtering/Quality options tongue.gif AMD just decided to rename them lol

http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/image-quality-driver-optimization-graphics,3173-6.html
Edited by Feud - 5/27/13 at 6:37pm
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I think it has nothing to do with AMD vs Nvidia.

It's really a hard decision. weirdsmiley.gif



What do you think if I add a column in the charts with a Yes or No (Y or N) if tweaks were used?

I will add the question in the form.

We need to find a consensus.

In my opinion that's all you can do and hope people fill it out truthfully. There's nothing to stop others from continuing to use tweaks as you can't detect it. If you decide not to allow it you may as well start this thing from scratch since probably 30% or more of the scores up there are with some kind of tweak.

Edit: I'd also have to mention that dual cfx scores may have slightly inflated scores due to what we all already know. I rather not start that whole thing though, especially not in this thread.
Edited by wholeeo - 5/27/13 at 6:37pm
post #4683 of 13364
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Originally Posted by Feud View Post

Because its a benchmark and not a game. It's meant to test performance and gauge it by producing a score. Cheating would be modifying the level of detail or using purely wireframes without textures. Drivers effect performance just as much as overclocking which is why Nvidia and AMD are continously trying to optimize their products to run better on various games and benchmarks. This is merely one option that Nvidia allows its users to have control over.

If this were say a Metro Last Light benchmark thread I'd be all for keeping IQ but this is purely a benchmark and nothing more.

OCN's Motto is "The Pursuit of Performance".. Not the "Pursuit of Image Quality".. Changing the texture filtering is a valid and readily available option to pursue more performance that is provided by Nvidia.

Besides... AMD has Texture Filtering/Quality options tongue.gif AMD just decided to rename them lol

http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/image-quality-driver-optimization-graphics,3173-6.html

I know its the pursuit of performance. But I want to make the pursuit of accurate charts and graph too.


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In my opinion that's all you can do and hope people fill it out truthfully. There's nothing to stop others from continuing to use tweaks as you can't detect it. If you decide not to allow it you may as well start this thing from scratch since probably 30% or more of the scores up there are with some kind of tweak.

Good point there.
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I know its the pursuit of performance. But I want to make the pursuit of accurate charts and graph too.
Good point there.


A possible option could be to setup a standardized series of settings in both Catalyst Control Center and Nvidia Control Panel. Along with that could be to make the current results into a separate chart/graph labeled "Tweaking" and another new graph and chart that will use the standardized CCC/NVCP settings and allow people to choose. Then just require people to have NVCP or CCC showing these standardized settings.

This honestly would be the closest and only possible way you could attempt to police this.
Edited by Feud - 5/27/13 at 6:48pm
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A possible option could be to setup a standardized series of settings in both Catalyst Control Center and Nvidia Control Panel. Along with that could be to make the current results into a separate chart/graph labeled "Tweaking" and another new graph and chart that will use the standardized CCC/NVCP settings and allow people to choose. Then just require people to have NVCP or CCC showing these standardized settings.

This honestly would be the closest and only possible way you could attempt to police this.

People could however just switch the settings for the screenshot and switch them back for the run. arrowheadsmiley.png
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You guys are missing the point. Whether or not you agree with allowing the driver tweaks, they are happening and probably have been happening all along. Not only that, but there is no way to police whether they are being used or not so its pointless to disallow them. We're not talking about a massive performance boost or anything, just 2-3 FPS at most...
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People could however just switch the settings for the screenshot and switch them back for the run. arrowheadsmiley.png


Very true.
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You guys are missing the point. Whether or not you agree with allowing the driver tweaks, they are happening and probably have been happening all along. Not only that, but there is no way to police whether they are being used or not so its pointless to disallow them. We're not talking about a massive performance boost or anything, just 2-3 FPS at most...


^^^^ This.
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You guys are missing the point. Whether or not you agree with allowing the driver tweaks, they are happening and probably have been happening all along. Not only that, but there is no way to police whether they are being used or not so its pointless to disallow them. We're not talking about a massive performance boost or anything, just 2-3 FPS at most...

...in a test I shared yesterday w/3 cards, the score went from 5546 to 5554 ...0.2 FPS...
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We showed today that the slider gives some of us 2-3fps.

It think we have covered everything at this point. Three moderators, the hwbot rules, and a majority of people here say standard driver options are ok – even though they may reduce image quality just a bit. As has been noted, AMD has quality/performance choices too.

We can add a check box (or more than one if we want to differentiate levels) for whether or not driver options were changed. Of course that does nothing for the 500+ entries we have already.
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