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You will have to list each and every thing that can be done and decide what is a “tweak” and what isn’t. Turning Aero off and just having one monitor is a measurable advantage, therefore are they tweaks? Some say yes, some say no. Changing power management mode, well that is defiantly a “tweak” that is used by some all the time for various reasons, so that makes it not a tweak, or does it?

So now we have three data sets and graphs? Current data, new data with “tweaks” whatever that means, and new data without tweaks.

Unplugging my monitors actually did more for me than anything else. biggrin.gif
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You will have to list each and every thing that can be done and decide what is a “tweak” and what isn’t. Turning Aero off and just having one monitor is a measurable advantage, therefore are they tweaks? Some say yes, some say no. Changing power management mode, well that is defiantly a “tweak” that is used by some all the time for various reasons, so that makes it not a tweak, or does it?

So now we have three data sets and graphs? Current data, new data with “tweaks” whatever that means, and new data without tweaks.

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Who wanna take the thread lol. ?

I have 8 charts in this thread to manage, imagine if its 24 charts frown.gif
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In the end I think it should be fair to allow users to change their driver settings through NVCP and CCC.. but ban changing the settings that actually have a major effect on the benchmark itself such as changing the Level of Detail, Wireframes or Disabling Tessellation. Also include HWBot's rules on anything that either modifies the time or speed of benchmark.

As said many times this is a benchmark so image quality does not matter but as far as practicality goes if we are running Extreme HD standardized settings that include DirectX 11 then Tessellation should be required.
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I'm saying in terms of policing it... Would it be a noticeable thing in the screenshots if Tessellation is disabled? My guess is it would be.

Not in Valley but it makes a huge difference in Heaven. That's why a screenshot of the opening road is required in that thread so that tess can't be disabled in the drivers. Valley has no separate tess setting anyway...
post #4735 of 13339
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I'm sorry man, but this thread loses all it's value to me if tweaking is allowed in control panels. I can understand the most basic stuff like turning off windows aero and changing task manager priority but if people can start change how the engine renders things it's a no go. People forget AMD users can turn tessellation off - how is that fair? You can easily tell when someones score if off in this bench and expose tweakers that way.

But hey that's just my opinion, it would be a shame though because i've been following this thread from the start.

There is no level playing field in the first place, AMD and Nvidia o optimizations themselves all the time and all that matters is if you can see the IQ difference, at that point you've gone too far with optimizing. Both companies could run much, MUCH, better IQ levels but it would be pointless and would ruin performance.

What it boils down to is that there's an option that optimizes texture filtering, only to such an extent that you can't see the difference in IQ. This is why it isn't cheating at all if the option is used. Disabling tesselation in say heaven is a night an day difference while I've yet to see a person who could tell a difference between a valley run with the filtering on quality or performance.

That and disallowing driver tweaks goes against pretty much every single benchmarking thread / site /competition on the net. Software just is a part of benching, nothing more to it than that. If the IQ difference can't really be seen then there's really no reason to ban anything.

And creating two separate submission lists would just fragment the benches and create more trouble for absolutely no reason while not fixing anything. A huge part of the scores are already with the tweaks, that's how it has always been. Only reason this is an issue now is that some people apparently just now learned about it...
 
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Unplugging my monitors actually did more for me than anything else. biggrin.gif

Absolutely agree. Never realized it made such a big difference...
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Just let the tweaks fly.

I'll post an 86FPS soon enough.thumb.gif
    
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Ok, this is probably the best idea so far
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Post scores with tweak and one without tweaks
I'll create a top 30 charts with tweaks. I will put the no tweak score in normal charts and the tweaked score in the tweak chart?
What do you guys think?

I think you'd be knocking yourself out for too little added value. As Eric is saying (all sorts of untraceable mods are possible... no, in-use), as I posted back a ways (#'s 4637 and 4643), and many others have commented, whether or not any advantageous tweaks of any sort were used - checking a box as to what was "implemented" in the instant example/suggestion - still relies upon an honor system. With no way to police the entries, or re-classing the existing results, I think you should just let it go as is. Although a very informative and, at times VERY entertaining thread that's all it is. No one will win a Nobel or Ansari X Prize with the highest score in this thread. Cheaters get nothing, playing by the rules gets the same. Hopefully more folks than we think participate to challenge themselves and their hardware
Adding complexity (and more work for you) will not prevent a cheater from doing their thing. If disabling tess is a big concern, maybe requiring the screen at a point where it is visually evident could work? But the again... adds complexity.
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nerdsmiley.png: you guys are taking this way too far... Making another chart will be futile, same as "disallowing tweaking"... What happens when someone posts his/her score with tweaks, and say's "NO TWEAKS", just because they don't believe they are doing anything they should not be doing, will you question them? rolleyes.gif. How will you prove that they used it or not?

If you guys don't know, software is also a big part of bench-marking. Are we using any 3rd party software? NO. Do all systems with Nvidia GPU's have this settings? YES. The only reason why this is a problem is because, AMD GPU's do not have this option. Is it our fault? NO tongue.gif

The poll speaks for itself, so let's just drop this topic and continue pushing our systems to the limit thumb.gif

Ok YungBenny, so you are confortable beating someone scores by reducing the Image Quality? While the other guy don't have the ability to do so, you will blame the AMD driver? Its a bit pretentious.

Why not be on the same level as everyone, I wonder what would be your reasonning if it was the opposite, you would be the first one to complain in PM, you know what I mean?
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Ok YungBenny, so you are confortable beating someone scores by reducing the Image Quality? While the other guy don't have the ability to do so, you will blame the AMD driver? Its a bit pretentious.

Why not be on the same level as everyone, I wonder what would be your reasonning if it was the opposite, you would be the first one to complain it PM, you know what I mean?

AMD does have the ability to lower the image quality.. Besides you yourself along with others went on not even knowing that people were for so long so how is it any different now? The quicker everyone comprehends that there is NO COMMON LEVEL BETWEEN AMD AND NVIDIA the quicker we can all move on. They both optimize differently.
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