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Nice score James! Are those running in your 900D build? Pics? biggrin.gif

Yes sir, pics soon smile.gif
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Of course I understand that you would naturally compare your scores against others and a discrepancy that large is certainly worth looking into, and again I'm not trying to argue that his score was legit. I was speaking more as a new comer to the benchmarking scene here seeing someone called out for cheating with some sort of tweaking that has yet to be identified (but I'm sure easily found with some searching). I guess a 7 fps difference is enough to prove that someone is using a tweak that is not allowed? Again excuse my ignorance here, I'm only looking at the facts as they are presented.

Honestly I think it would be better if it was discussed out in the open, we're all big boys here with access to Google. If we want to I'm sure we can find numerous "tweaks" some "legal" and some not, how is anyone (especially someone new to the bench marking game like myself) to know what is and what isn't allowed? I'm grateful for the discussion that was had about the driver tweaks as it makes it clear for new comers like myself what we are allowed to do. Was he using a third party app to change driver settings or messing with the way valley calculates your score? Is there any way to detect these disallowed tools other than the large discrepancy in clock/fps ratio?

I can respect that you'd rather not bring it to light, however it's a little late for that now. Pretending like it doesn't exist isn't going to help anyone IMO. I've heard people talk about "game booster" programs that close background processes etc, are there some that do more than this and go so far as driver tweaks or something that would be considered cheating? If that's the case then I'm sure some here have used them without even knowing they were breaking the rules, just like what happened with the driver quality setting fiasco. I think it would be prudent to not only list what is allowed tweaking in the OP, but also what is not allowed as far as specific programs. I understand that the onus should be on the submitter to understand what the tweaks they are using actually do, but I also believe that such information should also be open and available for discussion and to let people know they should not be used in this thread.

Anyone else like the idea of a disallowed programs list or does everyone agree it's better keeping such things in the dark?

I apologize for saying that people were throwing accusations around, I was just disheartened to see a post get rejected when I didn't see any evidence of cheating other than a clock/fps ratio discrepancy. I suppose in my haste, I did not take into account how large a discrepancy it was, combined with my understanding that (through my own testing) just optimizing your OS/hardware can net you a few fps at the same clock speeds, so I assumed a 7fps difference was possible. I guess that's to much of a difference?

Again please excuse my ignorance, I'm just trying to get involved in the discussion.

i see that you don't really reason much before you type essays online. Let me make it easy for you to understand with an example.

If Mazda was hosting a racing competition, and they state "ONLY MAZDA CARS ALLOWED", that would mean on the "Allowed" list, the only thing you see there is Mazda right?... Does that mean they should have a "Disallowed" list with EVERY other car brand on it?. tongue.gif... It's common sense Mister. Use what is stated that you can use, and forget about any other thing.

There are a million and one software's you can use to "better" your score, but it has already been stated that 3rd party applications are not allowed (applications that interfere with how valley runs, not your system). Applications like game-booster do not affect valley, it basically does what you can do by yourself if you go into your task manager and manually kill processes that you don't need.
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Didn't you know about the NV control panel? What the heck? I hardly use my 680 rig and I figured it out. All recent NV scores are set to disable AA and Aniso!@#$%^&


How's that fair for AMD users???????????????????????


You didn't know this?


Tweaks should be banned and recent scores scrubbed. What a cluster this is. And now I got idiots questioning me lol. Let me run benches w/o AA and we'll see where the fps lands.

doh.gif

Your so full of it, making out you knew them settings where changed but 1 hour before wasting your time watching my YouTube video screenshotting my settings out which have turnt out to be normal and your saying you knew anyway. Your either a idiot or sad and still yet to explains your +6fps with the same clocks or you can keep changing the subject.
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i see that you don't really reason much before you type essays online. Let me make it easy for you to understand with an example.

If Mazda was hosting a racing competition, and they state "ONLY MAZDA CARS ALLOWED", that would mean on the "Allowed" list, the only thing you see there is Mazda right?... Does that mean they should have a "Disallowed" list with EVERY other car brand on it?. tongue.gif... It's common sense Mister. Use what is stated that you can use, and forget about any other thing.

There are a million and one software's you can use to "better" your score, but it has already been stated that 3rd party applications are not allowed (applications that interfere with how valley runs, not your system). Applications like game-booster do not affect valley, it basically does what you can do by yourself if you go into your task manager and manually kill processes that you don't need.

Earlier Rbbby258 linked to This thread which contains some "bench tweak" program that performs registry and service changes. It would be nice to know what it does and whether it's allowed or not hence my question about a list of disallowed programs.

Just because you don't understand my reasoning doesn't mean I don't have any . . . Thanks for your simplified explanation of the situation as you see it though, I completely understand and agree with you now . . . rolleyessmileyanim.gif
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Earlier Rbbby258 linked to This thread which contains some "bench tweak" program that performs registry and service changes. It would be nice to know what it does and whether it's allowed or not hence my question about a list of disallowed programs.

Just because you don't understand my reasoning doesn't mean I don't have any . . . Thanks for your simplified explanation of the situation as you see it though, I completely understand and agree with you now . . . rolleyessmileyanim.gif

They are for 3dmark, they would have to be tested to see the difference. I posted them to show tsm that 3dmark can be tweaked as apparently it wasn't possible.
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i dont want to see mid 50's for a 770, 60fps and up overclock that .... biggrin.gif

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I dunno, if every other score with a similar setup (ie CPU, video card etc) is around a certain number then somebody comes along with the same type of setup bragging about a score that is somehow 15% faster than everybody else's at the same sort of clock speeds obviously people are going to go "huh?" I mean that's basically the only way we have to police this thread because there is no certification process. Significant outliers should be scrutinized and it should be up to the poster to PROVE they didn't do something outside the rules, not the other way around. That's what's nice about having such a large data set, we know around what scores people should be getting with what hardware...
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I dunno, if every other score with a similar setup (ie CPU, video card etc) is around a certain number then somebody comes along with the same type of setup bragging about a score that is somehow 15% faster than everybody else's at the same sort of clock speeds obviously people are going to go "huh?" I mean that's basically the only way we have to police this thread because there is no certification process. Significant outliers should be scrutinized and it should be up to the poster to PROVE they didn't do something outside the rules, not the other way around. That's what's nice about having such a large data set, we know around what scores people should be getting with what hardware...

^^This + rep Eric.

I asked for mod help about this issue and they don't seem to care AT ALL, have you seen a single mod help here? NO

This is the response I had from one of the mod I trusted the most.

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To me, the thread is off the rails with all the accusations and snide remarks going back and forth. This is why HWBot has the rules that it has. Inferring that someone is a cheater isn't really good enough. Unless you can conclusively show it, you are on a slippery slope into thread-hell. Without crystal clear guidelines, you invite trouble. Indecisiveness allows things to fester. Too fractious for me. Since I have unsubscribed and have little to nil desire to try to make sense of the slanging match, I make no judgement call whatsoever.

No desire to engage in this debate. No desire to be inflamed or flamed. Sorry.

blinksmiley.gif Of course we don't have Hwbot, and like Eric said, I'm pretty sure that this thread is big enough with a lot of sensed members to spot the cheaters with no need of Hwbot, we have all the info and tools, we have all forms recorded

Every information is there (800 saved scores since the creation of the form)



I think our members are a very good investigators.
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I dunno, if every other score with a similar setup (ie CPU, video card etc) is around a certain number then somebody comes along with the same type of setup bragging about a score that is somehow 15% faster than everybody else's at the same sort of clock speeds obviously people are going to go "huh?" I mean that's basically the only way we have to police this thread because there is no certification process. Significant outliers should be scrutinized and it should be up to the poster to PROVE they didn't do something outside the rules, not the other way around. That's what's nice about having such a large data set, we know around what scores people should be getting with what hardware...
^^^ This and it should center on overclocking the card in the first place. Not everyone can or is able to overclock their cards the same and that should be pretty clear. Better oc's are going to get better numbers and should score around the same aside from throttling. Someone scoring a lot better at similar clocks are obviously doing something else to enhance their score. It's just sad it's become more about tweaking and less about oc'ing. Top 5 cards in any catagory deserves some recognition, just for being able to overclock them to that point. It seems like it's all about that top spot though, regardless how it's gotten.
    
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