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Windows mobile does have its caveats though i just don't see how it can compete with iOS and Android. Microsoft will eventually have no option but to exit the mobile and tablet market and that will destroy Nokia as well who are completely dependent on the success of their Lumia devices. Microsoft better focus on their desktop platform rather than dividing their focus where their presence is not necessary
    
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Sooo Microsoft's mobile ambitions are getting pregnant? Haha, cause they're ****ed without a plan B.

It's a sad day when a company gets arrogant enough to think people will buy the product and just get used to it instead of having a backup that could end up being better than the original in the eye's of the majority.
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Had a windows phone for 2 years from inception to 7.5 and enjoyed it. It was very simple and easy to navigate. I switched to a Android device when my contract expired through no fault of Microsoft, but of my carrier (AT&T) charging outrageous prices for mobile data.
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Well from a business stand point I can see why this was said, but from a consumer stand point I don't like this. Windows has been in the mobile game since 2000 and while they have had some success, they haven't had the success of Google and Apple. Sure, a little competitor always comes in to ruffle some feathers, but the fact is there are too many little guys now. You've got; Blackberry 10, Ubuntu, Tizen (which is purely for carriers and scares the hell out of me), bada, Firefox OS, Aliyun OS and Sailfish OS. There is just too much competition for that third spot now.

If I was at Microsoft I'd be hoping for the Samsung-Google relationship to finally break down (We all know it will eventually and the day is getting closer and closer) and swoop in there to try and form a new Microsoft-Samsung relationship. Microsoft gets to keep their pure OS and Samsung gets to push something new as the next big thing to separate themselves from Android, Samsung and Microsoft both win.

All this mobile talks makes me want Google IO to get here now. I want to see the next Nexus devices and the X-Phone. tongue.gif
     
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They build windows 8 specifically for mobile devices. Windows 8 gets no market in the mobile world, so they give up. Now we are stuck with the ported windows 8 on PC. Nice!
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Um, what do you not like about Windows Phone 8, and have you used a Lumia device?

All of the apps I have on my current smartphone would increase costs of switching to WP by a decent amount for no benefit whatsoever, it's good...but not better than Android or iOS in some way that isn't subjective.
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While not having an alternate strategy is not preferable, I don't see "going mobile" = "drive the company into the ground". Steve Ballmer laughed at IPhone when it came out, who is laughing now?

The Desktop market is not growing any time soon and sitting on a market that is not growing is definitely suicide, Microsoft need Windows 8/WP8/Surface.

The alternate strategy is to put money into wearable computing and OS' for that, sure, they miss the mobile bubble but then they're have retained their business computing monopoly (As it is now, how many businesses are going to go to W8? Not many, it'd cost too much to retrain and the only arguments I've heard otherwise were ill-informed by Windows 8 fanboys)
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It's this all or nothing mentality that's killing Microsoft.

Windows 8 could have been the most well received desktop OS ever with just a few UI tweaks, but NO they would rather use it to push a consistent UI with Surface and Win8 Phones despite the fact that most desktops don't have touch input. Watch Win9 require Kinect. Microsoft used to be the middle ground between simplicity and flexibility, but now they offer neither.

They're copying Apple, Apple have an ecosystem with their products, you can get an iPad and an iMac and they'll have similar ways of working so you can take tricks back and forth, as well as work well with each other...MS is looking to add that.
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You can download connectivity tiles for that. Also, the rumored notification center coming out in the next update should make it easier.

IMO Microsoft has a solid mobile OS that is just going to take time for people to get used to and actually give a chance. It's hard to say how many people who "hate Windows 8" haven't even tried it. Their presence in mobile will grow slowly, but steadily I think.

And there's no benefit to going to it that sn't subjective...And as for Windows 8, it's subjective too, plenty of people have tried it and don't like it (I own a copy of Windows Server 2012 and Windows 8, have tried both and still can admit MS botched the implementation something fierce)
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That's incredibly stupid, I would have thought Microsoft would have at least 3 different plans.

Why do you think I've been saying MS has to replace most of their management? Right now the people who know what they're doing are being directed by people who would have trouble directing others down a one way street.
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You seem to be missing their whole dilemma though.

Apparently I am, because I don't see why Microsoft couldnt accomplish both goals at once.

They easily could, offer Win8 as it is now/with a better mix of tablet/desktop for the convert able market now, offer a "Windows 8 Business" edition which is the desktop only OS and offer RT as it is now, they'd not risk any marketshare at all there...For all of certain people saying it doesn't matter if it's a blockbuster, sure, but if the reason is mainly because of Metro (I know a lot of people who are looking at PCs and aren't techies have been asking me if I could put 7 on a new laptop for them) then sales do matter, as you can bet people will grumble about it in Win9, Win10, etc...Business' will hate having to upgrade and the retraining costs (Anyone who says there isn't any is talking out of their rear and has no idea how easily upset a normal user is by small changes, let alone the ones in Win8)
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Microsoft needs to learn the lesson of unhooking their mobile and desktop OS's.

First their mobile OS was too much like a desktop OS. Now their desktop OS is too much like a mobile OS.

If they would keep these things separate they could play to the strengths of both platforms without hurting either platform. Might help, certainly couldn't hurt.

Like I've been saying, they poorly copied Apple with the idea that Apple had the shared base, except MS copied a hell of a lot more that quite a number of consumers don't want.
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Windows 8 did not fly, cause new PCs are not sold as fast any more. Plain and simple.

I've heard this a lot, but never seen proof that the PC market has done anything but plateaued, after all people want a proper keyboard if they have to type...Which is why convertibles work and make sense.
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I don't want to "experience " my computer. I want to use it, and if the useability of windows8 sucks " and imho as a working professional it sucks" then I won't use it.

Don't focus on the experiences, thats some crap a kid with a 8 year degree and no work experience coined while wasting 300,000 of his parents hard earned money on college girlfriends, tution and beer.

Make my computer easier, fast, more efficient to use and get out of my way.

It's funny, by concentrating on the overall experience for their not very popular ecosystem (Apart from Windows on PC, Xbox and Office, not many MS products are that widely used...Remember Zune?) they've cut potential future marketshare by making the experience worse for Windows 8 for a lot of people.
    
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You seem to be missing their whole dilemma though.

Nobody (or at least "not enough" people) will go to go out and buy a new PC because a desktop OS got good reviews (it was different back when no other OS could compete), especially when it doesn't actually require new hardware to run it. My ancient tank of a Toshiba Satellite A252 runs like I bought it today with Windows 8.

Microsoft could EASILY have simply banked on making a "safe" OS that got consistently good reviews, but that isn't a good long term strategy for the PC market as a whole.

The Windows computer buying market has been stagnant in growth for a long time, despite Windows 7 being the "perfect" OS according to "internet". If anything, the growth destabilized the most after Windows 7 launched, despite an initial hike that lasted a few months.


It doesn't actually matter if Windows 8 isn't a blockbuster. What is important for them is to establish a base for where the future of computing is going and what the market is demanding. Sure the current state of Windows 8 and what it brings isn't fully realising potential, but since when does that ever happen in the first iteration of any new business venture/direction?

People may not be pulling their hair out in excitement about the current products, but they are saying that they'll wait until the next iteration. That's a good thing. Its a sign that the concept has been accepted and that only refinement is needed in order to make it into a truly competitive.

"a few UI tweaks" would stop some of the internet broo-haa-haa about it all, but it wouldn't actually create any kind of substantial push forward in terms of de-stagnating growth/interest in the market.

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Apparently I am, because I don't see why Microsoft couldnt accomplish both goals at once.


You really are.

MS needed to make a serious push to get the Windows market to make the next step. Taking the safe option for too long is one of the reasons why market growth is stagnating, but you can bet the rest of the industry would have chosen to follow that exact same stagnant safe option if given the chance.

You only need to walk into a store and see the large number of bog standard machines with Windows 8 on them vs new Windows 8 machines that could actually provide something new for potential buyers.

Retailers want to sell off their inventory before making the push. OEMs want to keep making the same boring clamshells for the rest of their lives.

Microsoft wants to do more, but they can't if the rest of the industry just wants to sit on its hands. If Apple had to wait for every other department of their industry to act in order to be successful, they'd be nowhere near as big as they are. But since they own all their own stuff, they can push what they want, when they want.

The only way MS could have created such a push is to create an OS that didn't offer the safe option.

If people want to profit from selling their hardware with Windows on it, they'll have to wipe the dust off of their R&D departments and actually make the Windows market a place of competition again instead of consistent complacency and lack of innovation.

Would OEMs like Lenovo/Asus/Acer be pushing multiple designs out of their factories at record pace if they had a safe option? Nope.

Would Intel have the whole industry in their shoulders now waiting on them to get serious about efficiency if they had a safe option? Nope.

Would retailers go out of their way to put these new devices at the forefront of their stores instead of pushing their "safe option" products? Hell no. Even right now they'd rather just install Windows 8 on years old inventory than actually display new Windows 8 devices.


Windows 8 doesn't need to be a blockbuster. It doesn't need to sell more than Windows 7. It needs to create a solid base for them to be able to compete in the new world of computing and beyond. That's exactly what it is doing. Its a proof of concept that while obviously not perfect in its first iteration, has got the wheels of progress turning again so that refinement and more success can happen in the future.

The "safe option" of Windows 7 boosted growth for all but a few months before de-stabilizing in a fashion not seen before, in line with the rise of iOS and android environments as computation devices.

MS isn't looking for a win today (because that's not actually what they need), they're looking for progress and sustainability for the future of their market and they've got until 2020 (when official support for Windows 7 will end) to perfect it.

That's plenty of time.
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post #38 of 58
their plan b is putting office on android and iOS, which realistically the should have done by now. I saw an article saying that they were walking away from $2.5b a year.

they want to force their way into the mobile arm scene by withholding office (ie abusing monopoly with corporations and large institutions). but why would the average person prefer windows rt, when it lacks the app support iOS and android have. on top of that there is plenty of evidence consumers don't like it so far, considering windows continuing single digit marketshare in mobile
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their plan b is putting office on android and iOS

... and Linux. wink.gif
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You really are.

MS needed to make a serious push to get the Windows market to make the next step. Taking the safe option for too long is one of the reasons why market growth is stagnating, but you can bet the rest of the industry would have chosen to follow that exact same stagnant safe option if given the chance.

whats so wrong with slow and steady, microsoft is enormous, they don't need to grow
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