Originally Posted by startekee
Um, what do you not like about Windows Phone 8, and have you used a Lumia device?
All of the apps I have on my current smartphone would increase costs of switching to WP by a decent amount for no benefit whatsoever, it's good...but not better than Android or iOS in some way that isn't subjective.
Originally Posted by sherlock
While not having an alternate strategy is not preferable, I don't see "going mobile" = "drive the company into the ground". Steve Ballmer laughed at IPhone when it came out, who is laughing now?
The Desktop market is not growing any time soon and sitting on a market that is not growing is definitely suicide, Microsoft need Windows 8/WP8/Surface.
The alternate strategy is to put money into wearable computing and OS' for that, sure, they miss the mobile bubble but then they're have retained their business computing monopoly (As it is now, how many businesses are going to go to W8? Not many, it'd cost too much to retrain and the only arguments I've heard otherwise were ill-informed by Windows 8 fanboys)
Originally Posted by BinaryDemon
It's this all or nothing mentality that's killing Microsoft.
Windows 8 could have been the most well received desktop OS ever with just a few UI tweaks, but NO they would rather use it to push a consistent UI with Surface and Win8 Phones despite the fact that most desktops don't have touch input. Watch Win9 require Kinect. Microsoft used to be the middle ground between simplicity and flexibility, but now they offer neither.
They're copying Apple, Apple have an ecosystem with their products, you can get an iPad and an iMac and they'll have similar ways of working so you can take tricks back and forth, as well as work well with each other...MS is looking to add that.
Originally Posted by razorguy
You can download connectivity tiles for that. Also, the rumored notification center coming out in the next update should make it easier.
IMO Microsoft has a solid mobile OS that is just going to take time for people to get used to and actually give a chance. It's hard to say how many people who "hate Windows 8" haven't even tried it. Their presence in mobile will grow slowly, but steadily I think.
And there's no benefit to going to it that sn't subjective...And as for Windows 8, it's subjective too, plenty of people have tried it and don't like it (I own a copy of Windows Server 2012 and Windows 8, have tried both and still can admit MS botched the implementation something fierce)
Originally Posted by andrews2547
That's incredibly stupid, I would have thought Microsoft would have at least 3 different plans.
Why do you think I've been saying MS has to replace most of their management? Right now the people who know what they're doing are being directed by people who would have trouble directing others down a one way street.
Originally Posted by BinaryDemon
Originally Posted by GrizzleBoy
You seem to be missing their whole dilemma though.
Apparently I am, because I don't see why Microsoft couldnt accomplish both goals at once.
They easily could, offer Win8 as it is now/with a better mix of tablet/desktop for the convert able market now, offer a "Windows 8 Business" edition which is the desktop only OS and offer RT as it is now, they'd not risk any marketshare at all there...For all of certain people saying it doesn't matter if it's a blockbuster, sure, but if the reason is mainly because of Metro (I know a lot of people who are looking at PCs and aren't techies have been asking me if I could put 7 on a new laptop for them) then sales do matter, as you can bet people will grumble about it in Win9, Win10, etc...Business' will hate having to upgrade and the retraining costs (Anyone who says there isn't any is talking out of their rear and has no idea how easily upset a normal user is by small changes, let alone the ones in Win8)
Originally Posted by Mygaffer
Microsoft needs to learn the lesson of unhooking their mobile and desktop OS's.
First their mobile OS was too much like a desktop OS. Now their desktop OS is too much like a mobile OS.
If they would keep these things separate they could play to the strengths of both platforms without hurting either platform. Might help, certainly couldn't hurt.
Like I've been saying, they poorly copied Apple with the idea that Apple had the shared base, except MS copied a hell of a lot more that quite a number of consumers don't want.
Originally Posted by dtolios
Windows 8 did not fly, cause new PCs are not sold as fast any more. Plain and simple.
I've heard this a lot, but never seen proof that the PC market has done anything but plateaued, after all people want a proper keyboard if they have to type...Which is why convertibles work and make sense.
Originally Posted by SCollins
I don't want to "experience " my computer. I want to use it, and if the useability of windows8 sucks " and imho as a working professional it sucks" then I won't use it.
Don't focus on the experiences, thats some crap a kid with a 8 year degree and no work experience coined while wasting 300,000 of his parents hard earned money on college girlfriends, tution and beer.
Make my computer easier, fast, more efficient to use and get out of my way.
It's funny, by concentrating on the overall experience for their not very popular ecosystem (Apart from Windows on PC, Xbox and Office, not many MS products are that widely used...Remember Zune?) they've cut potential future marketshare by making the experience worse for Windows 8 for a lot of people.