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I find it funny that there is genuine surprise that supposed journalists would report in a biased fashion. Obviously you guys haven't watched the nightly cheer leading for Obama on NBC / CBS / ABC...
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Originally Posted by Majin SSJ Eric View Post

Hmm, yeah, was there actually a point to that random, disjointed outburst? I wasn't aware that the dinosaurs' downfall was due to a reliance on fossil fuels?

Well like your attitude they belong to the past. Also a lot of fossil fuels will contain the remains of dinosaurs so essentially you will be saying hello to them as you burn gas. I thought it was a rather neat phrase, just a shame I had to explain it.


I'm sure when the model T came along a lot of people said "What is wrong with horses?". We are talking about advancements here, don't expect the finished product straight off the bat. Compared to current silicon processors graphene can't do anything, so should we stop developing it? No, people of vision push it forwards because it has the potential to be much better than the current technology.

And as for the use of one, if I had a car my daily commute would consist of driving it about 10 miles, then it sitting in a parking lot for 8 hours, then driving it 10 miles back again. My weekend would consist of driving 150 miles to Whistler, then it sitting in a parking lot for 8 hours whilst I went snowboarding / climbing / biking / hiking, then driving back again. There is no reason why it could not be charging whilst sitting in the parking lot.

An electric car could handle this no problem whilst not contributing to air pollution. Even better, as over 90% of the electricity in BC comes from hydro (and a lot of the remaining 10% from wind) it would not increase the overall air pollution.

Oh, and it is a 200 mile range then charge for one hour at a super charger station, not 8.
Edited by GingerJohn - 2/15/13 at 11:21am
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I find it funny that there is genuine surprise that supposed journalists would report in a biased fashion. Obviously you guys haven't watched the nightly cheer leading for Obama on NBC / CBS / ABC...

I feel the exact same way as a conservative but this is not the place to get into politics.
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I feel the exact same way as a conservative but this is not the place to get into politics.

Very true. Of course bias in the media can also come from the right. I just think its silly to expect any human being to be truly unbiased about anything. Of course out and out lying in a report should never happen...
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One should read both sides of the story before judging the situation. Since I have been keeping up with this since it broke on Monday, I still think is going to be hard to tell exactly what happened. Both sides seem to contradict each other.

Here is a good link to see what all has happened so far.
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Of course out and out lying in a report should never happen...

That's basically what this guy did and is continuing to do.
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Originally Posted by GingerJohn View Post

Well like your attitude they belong to the past. Also a lot of fossil fuels will contain the remains of dinosaurs so essentially you will be saying hello to them as you burn gas. I thought it was a rather neat phrase, just a shame I had to explain it.


I'm sure when the model T came along a lot of people said "What is wrong with horses?". We are talking about advancements here, don't expect the finished product straight off the bat. Compared to current silicon processors graphene can't do anything, so should we stop developing it? No, people of vision push it forwards because it has the potential to be much better than the current technology.

And as for the use of one, if I had a car my daily commute would consist of driving it about 10 miles, then it sitting in a parking lot for 8 hours, then driving it 10 miles back again. My weekend would consist of driving 150 miles to Whistler, then it sitting in a parking lot for 8 hours whilst I went snowboarding / climbing / biking / hiking, then driving back again. There is no reason why it could not be charging whilst sitting in the parking lot.

An electric car could handle this no problem whilst not contributing to air pollution. Even better, as over 90% of the electricity in BC comes from hydro (and a lot of the remaining 10% from wind) it would not increase the overall air pollution.

Oh, and it is a 200 mile range then charge for one hour at a super charger station, not 8.

There are only 4 million people that live in BC, Canada and have landscape and location for hydro and wind. 364,800 sq miles to 4mm people..

Look at California with 38mm people and 163,700 sq miles.. How do you use hydro and wind for a demand like that??

You are comparing apples to oranges.

I used to live in BC. AMAZING and beautiful place! I would love to come up and visit.
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I wasn't aware that the dinosaurs' downfall was due to a reliance on fossil fuels?

Not remotely what he was saying.
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Let me know whenever they design that electric jet for shipping and transit will you?

No one is suggesting a total abandonment of fossil fuel.
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As it stands now, anything other than Heavy Hydrogen fusion is being phased out, if the ITER project in France is a success than we have an answer to tall our energy needs and wants.

Thorium is based on the fission process, just like we need to stop breaking compounds via combustion, we also need to stop breaking atoms via fission.

Fusion is the only answer to long term sustainabilty for humanity.

You are getting a head of yourself.

We can't even reliably get more energy out of fusion than we put in, yet. It's purely experimental/hypothetical for power generation.

There are no reasonably viable alternatives for fossil fuels for many applications, not yet, and it could be a long time before fusion is more practical than fission.
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I just couldnt justify buying a car that is 30k plus when my 1968 volkswagen beetle gets 30 MPG and only cost me 2k to completely rebuild the entire car. What happens when you battery dies on your electric car and your not near a power outlet? Your screwed. What happens when my Internal combustion car runs out of gas? I get a ride to a gas station to get some gas. I am 16 years old and even I understand how unpractical electric cars are and how expensive they are too.

In all fairness, the odds of the battery just dying without warning is pretty damn slim, and you can tow an electric car as easily as any other. You'd have to be an idiot to take your electric vehicle out of range of a place you can charge it.

I do agree that, in their current state, electric cars are generally expensive novelties.
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I find it hilarious that the "test driver" wrote another article basically saying that he is a journalist and is unbiased, therefore we must trust that he is telling the truth. He even went as far as blaming the people from Tesla because they didn't tell him how to charge it, and the point where he was driving around a parking lot he said it was dark and the charge station wasn't lit well enough. But when it came to the fact that he was constantly speeding he says "he remembered going only 54 mph and must have been mistaken." I also find it odd how he says the equipment said it was fully charged, yet he spent less and less time at each station. It's no different than a gas tank, if it's empty and you spend less and less time filling it each time it goes dry, you're going to run out of gas eventually. Personally I think that anyone who tells you they are unbiased is flat out lieing to you. There is no way in hell anyone can not show their opinion. In the end it's a case of one person says this is what happened and then changes his story each time evidence is brought forth to prove him wrong. I don't know what reasons he'd have for lieing but it looks like he is. Honesty is the foundation of good journalism and I truly think that the NY Times should rethink his employment status.

The authors actions are indeed highly questionable and it does seem he was dead set on writing a negative review regardless of his experiences.
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You are getting a head of yourself.

We can't even reliably get more energy out of fusion than we put in, yet. It's purely experimental/hypothetical for power generation.

.

ITER project is making great strides and is due for completion in 7 years,

50KW put it 500KW put out.

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There are only 4 million people that live in BC, Canada and have landscape and location for hydro and wind. 364,800 sq miles to 4mm people..
Look at California with 38mm people and 163,700 sq miles.. How do you use hydro and wind for a demand like that??
You are comparing apples to oranges.

I was saying that as a bonus the power I would use comes from renewable sources were I to use an electric car.

I do understand that power generally comes from fossil fuels / nuclear, I used to design power generation turbines for a living.
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