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Well like your attitude they belong to the past. Also a lot of fossil fuels will contain the remains of dinosaurs so essentially you will be saying hello to them as you burn gas. I thought it was a rather neat phrase, just a shame I had to explain it..

Funny how some one can be ignorant of thier own ignorance, you my friend know exactly whats up cheers.gif
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I was saying that as a bonus the power I would use comes from renewable sources were I to use an electric car.

I do understand that power generally comes from fossil fuels / nuclear, I used to design power generation turbines for a living.

The point was that renewable energy sources are not practical in alot of areas and electric cars dont appeal to the masses because of this reason.

I wouldn't buy an electric car after living in BC with that kind of terrain. That is 4X4 territory!

good job on designing power generation turbines
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There are 4 cylinder cars from the year 2000 that get better gas mileage than the current lineups of Hybrids made by the automotive industry... can you guess why? See my previous statement if you are having difficulty understanding.

My old man used to drive a 1973 Honda Civic CVCC as his "commuter car" back and forth to work. God knows that thing wasn't much to look at, but given the REAL oil crisis of the early '70's, it was a real answer. It got about 45-48mpg. Not bad for a car that was made 40 years ago and only cost $2200 (About $11,213.79 in 2012 dollars). The 2012 Toyota Prius 2 door SAYS it gets 51/48mpg, but in reality, it averages about 47mpg, and given 40 years of technological improvements, and nearly DOUBLE the cost ($24,000 Toyota Prius 2 door), you really aren't getting all that much from Hybrids these days.

Then there is the simple fact that I will most likely never be able to drive a cost effective hybrid or electric vehicle in my life time. Odds are, they just aren't going to make one that I can fit in. Pretty much all the ones out there now would have a hard time fitting my size 16 boot, much less the rest of my 6'6" tall body. biggrin.gif
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ITER project is making great strides and is due for completion in 7 years,

50KW put it 500KW put out.

Awesome sauce

I never implied progress wasn't being made, but all of my points stand.

50 in 500 out, for 1,000 second bursts, is the goal, but the reactor is still 7 years away from being fired up, and even if they rapidly get it to work as expected we are still a long way from having commercially viable energy production from fusion.

Fusion is simply not a realistic solution in the short to mid term.

It's going to be a long time before we can seriously consider abandoning fossil fuels and/or nuclear fission.
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Then there is the simple fact that I will most likely never be able to drive a cost effective hybrid or electric vehicle in my life time.

Unless you plan on dying within the next 10-20 years, I'd bet you are wrong.

There are some very promising new battery technologies on the horizon that could increase energy density ten fold.
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Very true. Of course bias in the media can also come from the right. I just think its silly to expect any human being to be truly unbiased about anything. Of course out and out lying in a report should never happen...

True, but bias is one thing, flat out LIES is another.

But then again, this isn't the first time that a reporter from the "Old Gray Lady" has been busted for doing things like this.
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The point was that renewable energy sources are not practical in alot of areas and electric cars dont appeal to the masses because of this reason.

Fair point.

However I would say that the "masses" (love that phrase) don't consider an electric car because of the perceived lack of range, which is fair, and because of "what happens if the battery runs out"... to which the response is "same thing as if you run out of gas". Most people don't consider where the electricity comes from other than the socket.

The lack of range is still an issue, although the Telsa S has shown that an electric car is viable for an every day car for a lot of commuters. For long road trips it is still not quite there yet, but at least we are moving towards it.


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I wouldn't buy an electric car after living in BC with that kind of terrain. That is 4X4 territory!

We have roads and stuff now, we are quite advanced yessir.gif





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My old man used to drive a 1973 Honda Civic CVCC as his "commuter car" back and forth to work. God knows that thing wasn't much to look at, but given the REAL oil crisis of the early '70's, it was a real answer. It got about 45-48mpg. Not bad for a car that was made 40 years ago and only cost $2200 (About $11,213.79 in 2012 dollars). The 2012 Toyota Prius 2 door SAYS it gets 51/48mpg, but in reality, it averages about 47mpg, and given 40 years of technological improvements, and nearly DOUBLE the cost ($24,000 Toyota Prius 2 door), you really aren't getting all that much from Hybrids these days.

but if ALL cars were made as Hybrids, instead of using term Hybrid as a marketing ploy like it is now, we would have a nice temp solution to the crisis we are going through now.

The Prius is also much more quieter, softer, and luxurious compared to the Civics of the Ole, and dont forget about the changes we made to our gasoline, first Lead, then Sulfur, removing those drastically changed the chemical process of combustion.

Plus those civics didnt get that much MPG, it was more like 30, but when other cars of those days were getting 18, it was still magic, and the main reason why Honda became what it is today, and when that small company decided that instead of just making budget motorcyles they were going to produce small effcient cars, the market thought they were crazy. Same thing is happening with Tesla right now.
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Hybrids are a farce. They are generally the worst of both worlds.

Unless you are talking about diesel-electric submarines and not automobiles.
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Hybrids are a farce. They are generally the worst of both worlds.

Unless you are talking about diesel-electric submarines and not automobiles.

This.
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My car gets 18mpg and I love it. Wouldn't have chosen any other car for my current living conditions.
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