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Uhm, it's going to be incremental releases over a longer period of time. This is in no way good. Intel slacking because of the lack of competition from AMD is also bad.

Not quite sure on this analogy, AMD is irrelevant to intel, almost -- the real fight is for mobile. Desktop is dead except for extreme enthusiasts.

Intel's real worries are with Qualcomm, nvidia, and samsung for mobile domination (which will take fruition in 2014). Make no mistake, intel definitely is not resting on their laurels, desktop IPC matters little in the big picture now, although intel is making slight improvements year to year; IPC matters little for the sector that they must be relevant in, battery life is everything. Haswell will be a great step forward, and broadwell should seal the deal. (biggest efficiency gains intel has ever achieved in decades, apparently)
Edited by xoleras - 2/15/13 at 4:51pm
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Not quite sure on this analogy, AMD is irrelevant to intel, almost -- the real fight is for mobile. Desktop is dead except for extreme enthusiasts.

Intel's real worries are with Qualcomm, nvidia, and samsung for mobile domination (which will take fruition in 2014)

 

Not quite sure on this statement either. Let's talk HPC...

 

where's Brickland?

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Not quite sure on this statement either. Let's talk HPC...

where's Brickland?

My issue is with your statement that intel isn't doing anything due to lack of competition from AMD. You can read the intel engineer AMA from a while back where it was basically stated that they aren't even concerned with anything AMD does, because the fight is with mobile. Desktop means little now, even with HPC in consideration desktop sales are plunging by double digits every year.

He also stated that their competitors are qualcomm, nvidia, and samsung - those are the major players in mobile and this is an area where intel has to become competitive for long term growth. Sad to say AMD doesn't matter because they didn't play their cards properly with respect to mobile.

Intel is working day and night to improve their efficiency, and they're working very diligently at it. They are not being lazy as you implied. Efficiency as a metric has overtaken IPC, it means everything now in the big picture.
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My issue is with your statement that intel isn't doing anything due to lack of competition from AMD. You can read the intel engineer AMA from a while back where it was basically stated that they aren't even concerned with anything AMD does, because the fight is with mobile. Desktop means little now, even with HPC in consideration desktop sales are plunging by double digits every year.

He also stated that their competitors are qualcomm, nvidia, and samsung - those are the major players in mobile and this is an area where intel has to become competitive for long term growth.

They're working day and night to improve their efficiency, they're working very diligently at it. They are not being lazy as you implied.

 

Lol, I know how VLSI design works don't have to point that out. Slack != lazy. I agree that ARM is being a very big threat for Intel but AMD is a big competitor in HPC which also delivers big money. Of course they're not concerned with Core i processors, but they aren't really pushing in the HPC section for a while too. Intel has multiple divisions you know, they just don't feel pressure from AMD so no they don't have their priority set there. It's also better business for them to slack (show less sign of activity in that area)

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Considering the 7850 or equivalent was put into these consoles I would say it wasn't so much about advanced tech but more about the price between going Nvidia vs Amd. You could go back 3 years and find gpu's that are faster then the 7850. Console's have to stay affordable. So there is one thing you can count on them never having. The latest and greatest tech. With that comes a hefty price tag. Amd won over the next generation console's because they won the price bid. Its business.

Of course, and innovative manufacturing methods are how you make things cheaper. There's not much you can innovate on when it comes to products they already produce, the process will only get cheaper in small increments by itself. Larger cuts in production costs come from developing new production technologies and learning how to apply them, or the lessons learned from them, backwards on old products.
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In short, AMD is crunching hard on upcoming Kaveri. We all expected this to come of AMD, their desktop line of chips are pretty good for the price. But if AMD really wants to make money, they need to work lots on their mobile chips. So this is a bold move, but I personally think its a right one. As OpenCL is being adopted in some software already. Once HSA releases, the software market will be eager to update their applications to utilize the speed benefits. The mobile market is well over 60% of the entire "computer" market. Give me a A10-7800k that can play BF3 on Ultra settings AMD for $160. biggrin.gif
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In short, AMD is crunching hard on upcoming Kaveri. We all expected this to come of AMD, their desktop line of chips are pretty good for the price. But if AMD really wants to make money, they need to work lots on their mobile chips. So this is a bold move, but I personally think its a right one. As OpenCL is being adopted in some software already. Once HSA releases, the software market will be eager to update their applications to utilize the speed benefits. The mobile market is well over 60% of the entire "computer" market. Give me a A10-7800k that can play BF3 on Ultra settings AMD for $160. biggrin.gif

Your last sentence really sparked my interest. How much can AMD reasonably charge for Kaveri? Sure, with HSA enabled it might compete with Core i7s, but HSA isn't anywhere near taking hold of the market yet... hmm.
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Considering the 7850 or equivalent was put into these consoles I would say it wasn't so much about advanced tech but more about the price between going Nvidia vs Amd. You could go back 3 years and find gpu's that are faster then the 7850. Console's have to stay affordable. So there is one thing you can count on them never having. The latest and greatest tech. With that comes a hefty price tag. Amd won over the next generation console's because they won the price bid. Its business.

well a 7850 like gpu is only rumored for one console (the PS4), while the wiiU and new xbox have far weaker gpus. you're correct, it's not about power or the latest and greatest tech. I think convenience and efficiency, both in design and in dealing with a single company for your main chips might have made a big impact, perhaps as big as price. also, going back three years, the gpus around the 7850 performance are the gtx480, 6970, gtx560t 448, gtx570, with the gtx580 being decidedly faster. needless to say (but relevant), all of these chips are a poor choice from a thermal and power perspective considering the typical small form factor and low power draw of a console. AMD most likely won because they can offer a solution with the gpu/cpu on a single die like the revised xbox 360 has. whether or not something like a gtx650ti and an IBM cpu would be cheaper than an AMD 8 core and a 7850 is anybody's guess, but being a maker of both cpu/gpu and having integrated solutions out already (APU) AMD is an obvious choice for convenience as well as price.

on topic, it would suck major if they don't release a new gpu series t replace the HD7k series this year. was going to buy a 690 around my birthday, but I do like single gpu better. at this point it looks like titan or gtx780 (if it's a worthy increase from what's already out and I can't secure a titan).
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Why?Titan dont compete with the 7970 price range.

I understand but if you could get two HD7970 for $500. Why would you need Titan?
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I understand but if you could get two HD7970 for $500. Why would you need Titan?

I need it because I prefer single gpu biggrin.gif and two 7970 for $500? where and how exactly?
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