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I'm of the opinion that all 3x or 4x setups are a mess lol.
 
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I'm of the opinion that all 3x or 4x setups are a mess lol.

 

It can be. They are right that when having proper support it can be more smooth. I was shocked when I first saw it with quad fire 6970. It does however add complexity in drivers and may cause some bugs. Two GPUs are usually safer, if they all work 3x is the sweet spot IMO. The 4th GPU is mostly for ePeen/aesthetics (symmetry).

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I recall two years ago, Tom's Hardware demonstrated a tri-CF of a dual 6870 GPU card and a single 6870 GPU card beating the snot out of the dual 6970 and 580 setups and had better price per performance. Plus, there were no micro-stuttering for some reason.

Sadly, there's no dual 660 or 7870 GPU cards to repeat that again...
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Assuming they keep dropping prices, short of paying exorbitant amounts for large screens or 120Hz Eyefinity, etc, what issues would you have maxing out every game ever on HD7970Ghz CFX? There's not much point in a new GPU if you already run a HD7870 or faster until the end of the year anyway, you can probably max everything out unless you run a large screen.

You're saying this to one of most known multi monitor / crazy GPU setups guys on OCN, congratulations the dunce hat is in the corner.

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I recall two years ago, Tom's Hardware demonstrated a tri-CF of a dual 6870 GPU card and a single 6870 GPU card beating the snot out of the dual 6970 and 580 setups and had better price per performance. Plus, there were no micro-stuttering for some reason.

Sadly, there's no dual 660 or 7870 GPU cards to repeat that again...

That would introduce a huge memory bandwidth issue. People seem to be of 2 worlds in this thread. Those running 1080p, and those who actually like their gaming to look good. These midstream setups are all well and good at 1080p, but introduce some large resolutions into the mix and things go to hell in a hand basket. I'm tired of hearing the "you don't need x performance ... " crap from people, and I thought my sarcastic quip about our hardware overlords would have hit a little closer to home with some of you.

People need to get off their AMD fanboy bandwagon and realize that huge delays in releases are in no way shape or form good for the consumer. The more power you give this company to dictate when you can get something, the worse the situation will become.
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People need to get off their AMD fanboy bandwagon and realize that huge delays in releases are in no way shape or form good for the consumer. The more power you give this company to dictate when you can get something, the worse the situation will become.

Personally, considering AMD's got their hands full for the size of the company (3 console contracts is a bit more important right now then giving a slight improvement over their line) it can be understood a bit.

I'd rather wait till it's polished and solid before being rushed out, especially since new consoles are around the corner. I want to know just how much I'll need performance wise in comparison to the systems coming out. My overclocked 7970GE fairs well @ 1080p, but there is indeed still room for improvement. If the 8970 can run a bit cooler and give even 15-20% performance boost I'll probably sell my card and swap over. Or if nividia has something better at the time, I'll go that route.

Now before you jump down my throat saying bandwagon this, bandwagon that, I'm not one for delays, but it's not like this hasn't been done in the past. Until Nvidia responds, what's the rush for them when they have bigger obligations right now?
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Titan here I come! Those Titans will be my firsts Nvidia cards in years. smile.gif

Seriously AMD.. 2 years with the same high-end cards??? rolleyes.gif

Da fock maxes 4 WC'd OC'd 4 7970s?! bigeyedsmiley.png
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Personally, considering AMD's got their hands full for the size of the company (3 console contracts is a bit more important right now then giving a slight improvement over their line) it can be understood a bit.

I'd rather wait till it's polished and solid before being rushed out, especially since new consoles are around the corner. I want to know just how much I'll need performance wise in comparison to the systems coming out. My overclocked 7970GE fairs well @ 1080p, but there is indeed still room for improvement. If the 8970 can run a bit cooler and give even 15-20% performance boost I'll probably sell my card and swap over. Or if nividia has something better at the time, I'll go that route.

Now before you jump down my throat saying bandwagon this, bandwagon that, I'm not one for delays, but it's not like this hasn't been done in the past. Until Nvidia responds, what's the rush for them when they have bigger obligations right now?

The irony about the "polished and done" statement is that they need to allocate the resources to polish and complete the product to get it out the door. They aren't, or at bare minimum they obviously are not fully allocating their resources. Engineering is not some black box that an idea goes into and magically a new graphics processor comes out, it requires manpower they are putting on other projects.

The problem is the entire line of thought is apologetic in nature. "Its ok, stop driving innovation, we'll wait for you here." It would be one thing if they were sitting on a complete architecture like NVidia has been for at least 6 months, its entirely different if they need to DEVELOP the next product to be able to compete in market. The fact that they are doing other things, is the reason GK110 never needed to come out in the 600 series, because AMD really didn't have anything that could do much better than match the GK104s offerings.

What I care abouit isnt nvidia or amd, its market competition and innovation. Right now there just isnt any, and thats why titan is a paper release and GK110 hasnt been branded GeForce yet.
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Because games are so intensive right now that we need anything more...


Throw two (or more) of those into your PC and I see no room for complaint.

no that causes microstuttering which defeats the whole purpose of high fps
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I'm of the opinion that all 3x or 4x setups are a mess lol.

And you know what they say about opinions, they are like.. and everyone has one... wink.gif.

But it always irk me a bit when those ''opinions'' are 99% of the time coming from people with 0 hand-on time with those kind of set-ups. Alatar, how many Tri/Quad-Fire Tri/Quad-SLI set-ups did you try seriously, for hours, tweaking them, testing them, optimizing them? Not trying it for 2 hours, taking pics for the crowd, then returning it back at the store like Vega was doing. Remember, I was on top of the 3D Mark11 thread for 10 months with my 4X 7970 set-up. When a system is well optmized and tweaked, it's working fine, even with 4 cards. Yes, those systems exist out there, and I have one of those. smile.gif

Reading something on the internet and then repeating it doesn't always make it true. I spent some serious time with both a Quad-Fire 7970 and Quad-SLI 680, and Quad 7970 was simply alot smoother and better. At 7680X1600, the 680 limited bandwidth was making them choke like crazy, while the 4 7970s were sailing nicely through everything.

And I'm really anxious to get my greedy hands on 4 Titan. But Nvidia will probably do like they always do, put 500 Titan on the market world wide, all in the hands of reviewers, 3 or 4 on Newegg, then ''not available'' for months... and win all benchmarks (remember those happy reviewers playing with those 500 Titan world wide), and sell more 680s because ''Nvidia cards are da best look at dat Titan bench dude!!!''

Ok now I'm going back playing Borderlands 2 LAN games with my 4 computers at home, all with those awful/buggy/unplayable Quad-Fire and Crossfire set-ups . smile.gif
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And you know what they say about opinions, they are like.. and everyone has one... wink.gif.

But it always irk me a bit when those ''opinions'' are 99% of the time coming from people with 0 hand-on time with those kind of set-ups. Alatar, how many Tri/Quad-Fire Tri/Quad-SLI set-ups did you try seriously, for hours, tweaking them, testing them, optimizing them? Not trying it for 2 hours, taking pics for the crowd, then returning it back at the store like Vega was doing. Remember, I was on top of the 3D Mark11 thread for 10 months with my 4X 7970 set-up. When a system is well optmized and tweaked, it's working fine, even with 4 cards. Yes, those systems exist out there, and I have one of those. smile.gif

Reading something on the internet and then repeating it doesn't always make it true. I spent some serious time with both a Quad-Fire 7970 and Quad-SLI 680, and Quad 7970 was simply alot smoother and better. At 7680X1600, the 680 limited bandwidth was making them choke like crazy, while the 4 7970s were sailing nicely through everything.

And I'm really anxious to get my greedy hands on 4 Titan. But Nvidia will probably do like they always do, put 500 Titan on the market world wide, all in the hands of reviewers, 3 or 4 on Newegg, then ''not available'' for months... and win all benchmarks (remember those happy reviewers playing with those 500 Titan world wide), and sell more 680s because ''Nvidia cards are da best look at dat Titan bench dude!!!''

Ok now I'm going back playing Borderlands 2 LAN games with my 4 computers at home, all with those awful/buggy/unplayable Quad-Fire and Crossfire set-ups . smile.gif

I've used a few x3 and x4 setups, none from this gen of cards. Actually the only card from this gen I've even tested is a 670, I dunno why this gen didn't really get my attention. And by used I mean at least a full day of tweaking for benchmarking. (10+ hours).

Maybe my opinion is based on older setups but those setups left a really bad taste in my mouth (earliest one was 3870x2 CFX, dear lord that was horrible). As a student I don't have the funds for current 4 way setups. A single titan will be on my shopping list though.

Oh and the amount of titans made at first is supposed to be 10K
 
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2x 5870, 5850, 5830, 5770 2x 3870x2, 3870 GTX Titan, GTX 480, GTX 590 GTX 285, GTX 260, 4x 9800GT, 8800GTX 
RAMHard DriveCoolingCooling
4x4GB vengeance, 2x4GB predatorX, 2x1GB OCZ DDR2 Intel X25-M 80GB LD PC-V2 SS Phase Change OCN Marksman 
CoolingCoolingOSPower
2x old tek slims (GPU) Various watercooling stuff win7, winxp AX1200 
Case
test bench / cardboard box 
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CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
[i7 5960X @ 4.8GHz] [Rampage V Extreme] [Titan 1400MHz (1500MHz bench)] [Various] 
Hard DriveCoolingCoolingCooling
[250GB 840EVO +2x SpinpointF3 1TB RAID0] [LD PC-V2 SS Phase Change] [XSPC X2O 750 pump/res] [Monsta 360 full copper + EK XT 360 + XT 240] 
MonitorPowerCaseAudio
[Crossover 27Q LED-P 1440p+ASUS 1200p+LG 1080p] [Corsair AX1200] [Dimastech Easy v3.0] [Sennheiser HD558s] 
CPUCPUMotherboardGraphics
FX 8320, FX 8350, Phenom II x2 555BE i7 3930K, i7 860, i7 4770K, 68x Celeron D CVF, commando, 2x RIVE, Z87X-OC Asus 4870x2, Sapphire 4870 
GraphicsGraphicsGraphicsGraphics
2x 5870, 5850, 5830, 5770 2x 3870x2, 3870 GTX Titan, GTX 480, GTX 590 GTX 285, GTX 260, 4x 9800GT, 8800GTX 
RAMHard DriveCoolingCooling
4x4GB vengeance, 2x4GB predatorX, 2x1GB OCZ DDR2 Intel X25-M 80GB LD PC-V2 SS Phase Change OCN Marksman 
CoolingCoolingOSPower
2x old tek slims (GPU) Various watercooling stuff win7, winxp AX1200 
Case
test bench / cardboard box 
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