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"We should make it clear that NVIDIA is a good company, and we respect their attempted transition into being a smartphone company."

If I were NVIDIA, I'd craft a counter similar to this:

"We should make it clear that AMD is a good company, and we respect their attempted transition into eventual profitability by getting in position for reorganization via Chapter 11 bankruptcy. We look forward to hiring some of their talented engineers once more of them are inevitably laid off."
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I do agree that it's a good thing that Titan is coming out so it can hog all the press over that ridiculous F2P bundle peddling free in-game gold. How embarrassing.
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except betas don't count as actual drivers. I had to wait for 13.1 from 12.10... almost 3 months between releases of actual full drivers.

They don't or aren't actual drivers? Please explain how my card is playing all these games flawlessy then on this 'non-driver'?

You didn't have to wait 3 months for anything, you choose to use them. I've been using beta's since day one on my 7970GE and have had zero issues in doing so..
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I'm glad to see AMD finally making some progress on the software side of things, as well as securing some AAA titles for gaming evolved. There have always been complaints of Catalyst not being worth anything, seems they're making up some of that ground. Considering that the 7970 is roughly faster than the 680 and cheaper for the most part as well, continuous progress in driver updates could keep it going for some time.
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I don't know how much the Gaming Evolved program is helping them. Sure they get to bundle the games with the cards, but they are paying quite a bit to the developers for that privilege. Then Nvidia (with what seems to be a larger driver team) launches a beta at the time of release, and they are right back in the performance battle. Look at Far Cry 3 - Gaming Evolved, but Nvidia outperformed AMD from day one. It takes a lot of sales to recoup the millions they are paying those developers.
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They don't or aren't actual drivers? Please explain how my card is playing all these games flawlessy then on this 'non-driver'?

You didn't have to wait 3 months for anything, you choose to use them. I've been using beta's since day one on my 7970GE and have had zero issues in doing so..

You again? Have you ever read the actual developmental definition of Beta? Its not even considered a RELEASE CANDIDATE.
 
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except betas don't count as actual drivers. I had to wait for 13.1 from 12.10... almost 3 months between releases of actual full drivers.

betas do count as drivers. if you don't use it thats a personal choice. i used the latest 12.11 beta drivers recommended by AMD on my HD 6950 for Hitman Absolution and Farcry 3. I had no issues and got the best possible performance out of my hardware. I am waiting for today's 13.2 beta 6 drivers to play Crysis 3. thumb.gif
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You again? Have you ever read the actual developmental definition of Beta? Its not even considered a RELEASE CANDIDATE.

Me again? Perhaps I'm missing something don't recall a post on the topic. Nonetheless, we are on different wave lengths here. I was more or less saying is that they are fully functioning as drivers, perfectly usable, regardless of the what the definition / technicalities on paper are. That's all. It was a light jab for fun more then anything thumb.gif
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Techreport posted their transcript for the US conference call:
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TR: Guys, it's good that you guys are selling the product that you have, but this marks a change from your approach of having a certain cadence for products. And we know that these chips take three or four years to develop, and it appears that Mars/Oland was actually a delivered chip. There have to be other chips in the pipeline. And now we're hearing they're not going to come out on schedule. This is a roadmap change—

Dave Baumann: Mars and Oland has already made it to the market. They're already shipping. In fact, you can buy notebooks actually in November—

TR: I know that, but I thought there were other chips in that family. Were there not?

Dave Baumann: Yes, there are. And they'll be announced in the coming months. We've already made roadmap presentations that show additional notebook products coming in Q2.

Darren McPhee: In Q2 we have more 8000M parts to round out the family, as an example.

Dave Baumann: And as we said, we're not done launching the 7000 series yet, either. And that's not necessarily just refreshes of current ASICs.
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TR: Guys, I think there's some confusion here, because you're talking about new products, and products can be many things. They can be based on existing ASICs, they can be new ASICs. The expectation I think that we came into this year with is that you had a top-to-bottom ASIC refresh planned, and that that was called Sea Islands, and that we would see products based on Sea Islands relatively early in this year. Are you now saying that that was never the plan? Or has the plan changed?

Devon Nekechuk: The plan has always been to keep our 7900 series as the mainstay of our enthusiast product line from when we launched at the end of 2011 to the last part of 2013. So this was definitely an intentional plan.

Dave Baumann: Yeah, there's been some hangover from the Internet hive mind that assumes that there's going to be an 8000-series refresh immediately or a year after the previous product. That's not the case. That's just why we're clarifying today.
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TR: Let me ask a question, because you said that there are some late 2013 products coming. Are those part of Sea Islands, or are they something else?

Dave Baumann: [long pause] We cannot really make comments on what exactly the product stack are and what the roadmap names are, etc. etc. You know, there's plenty exciting new products to look at when they come later in the year.

TR: Are they based on GCN architecture or are they something substantially new?

Darren McPhee: Graphics Core Next is the architecture that we're committed to as a company for years to come. So Graphics Core Next will be at the core of all of our products for the next several years.
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TR: Let me make sure that I get this, because I'm still not clear and I don't want to write the wrong thing. You're telling me that the 7000 series is going to remain stable throughout the year, and that there will be new products in the 7000 series, and that there will be new chips in Sea Islands in addition to Mars and Oland that come out during that span of time? Is that correct? Including larger chips than Mars and Oland? But they'll be under the 7000 branding?

Darren McPhee: With the exception of not giving you details on that last question regarding size, yes, yes, and yes.

TR: So it's possible that the only thing we'll see is smaller chips than Mars and Oland?

Darren McPhee: I can't comment on the size. It doesn't . . . [trails off]

TR: Will Tahiti remain your high-end product throughout this span?

Darren McPhee: [pause] The 7900 series will be a focus for the rest of 2013.

Roy Taylor: Why don't we have another one of these calls in a couple of weeks and we can tell you some more.
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Those responses were vague IMO. Maybe AMD is going to surprise everyone with the 8000 series shortly before the 700 series is launched rolleyes.gif. That would make things interesting. From the interview i feel like the author i really don't know what to expect.
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