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Rumorss state that both AMD and nvidia are releasing their true next gen in Q4. Titan is an outlier, it really isn't considered next gen (limited edition product costing 1000$+)

Real talk: let's face the facts: hardly anyone is going to buy Titan because only 10,000 are being made worldwide and the cost is ridiculous. Yes, I want one - but i'm also not the typical customer either. Far from it. People like me make up .00001% of customers.

Current GPUs are fine until the true 700 / HD8000 series are released in Q4. Games aren't really demanding enough at this point and time, and 200$ is still the sweet spot for most users.

Last I checked Nvidia got pulled into (one) article with Amd stating that neither gpu company had anything in the works. Just in the last week over 3 more have popped up for Amd. Zero for Nvidia stating this.
 
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Everything in other words is going to undergo a process shrink and then another years wait till next gen, which isn't the first time they have both done this. Are they both waiting for the release of the new consoles?
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Last I checked Nvidia got pulled into (one) article with Amd stating that neither gpu company had anything in the works. Just in the last week over 3 more have popped up for Amd. Zero for Nvidia stating this.

http://www.tomshardware.com/news/Radeon-GeForce-Delay-GPU-Next-Generation,20838.html
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Sweclockers has suggested that the next generation of AMD and Nvidia GPUs will be delayed all the way until Q4 2013. According to their source, the GPUs won't show up until as late as October 2013. This means that the current GTX 600 series and HD 7000 series will be around for a little longer, possibly expanding their lifespan by up to two years before replacement.

Regardless, we will be seeing new graphics cards soon. There are rumors of Nvidia's GeForce Titan, which might be released near the end of this month.

Moreover, there are rumors that AMD will also soon launch an official Radeon HD 7990. While there have been 7990s around for a while, none of them are official yet, just fabrications from different manufacturers.
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Maxwell will be the last of Fermi arch on 20nm, initially it was slated for 2013 but now it's probably going to be 2014. GK114 is Kepler midlife kicker, when will that one drop?

GTX 780 will be announced March 2013 according to this graph. One month after Titan. Highly sceptical about it but its the only thing we`ve heard about it. Might happen

(You also see Maxwell listed there as well GM100). March 2014 which seems very plausible.
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But most importantly: AMD is on track to release a brand new architecture that will replace GCN in Q4 2013.

Long story:
Read more here:
http://www.hardwarecanucks.com/news/video/amd-clarifies-2013-graphics-strategy-new-cards-same-architecture-some-surprises/

So it seems 20nm Volcanic Island(since they already said it won't be Sea Island) would launch in Q4 2013(guessing paper launch with product on sale Q1 2014), so AMD is skipping 2nd gen of 28nm for desktop and going 20nm for next gen.

Brand new architecture? does that mean they are dropping GCN(makes no sense given how AMD keep saying it have so much room to grow in each driver release)? or will it be GCN2?
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Your mad. I would be pissed right along with you if I was part of the Red team. Having nothing from Amd to upgrade your 7970's with for 2 years. By the time you go to sell them they will be 2 years old and hold maybe 25-30% of there original value. Unless that was your plan to keep them for 2 years. Looking at the rest of your rig I highly doubt you planned on keeping them that long. Funds are obviously not an issue.

I'm not mad. I intended to return to Nvidia next anyway (either with two Titans or more likely two 680 Lightnings). AMD obviously doesn't feel threatened that NV will release 7XX anytime soon or they wouldn't be announcing this. You can be sure that both will release the next gen around the same general time frame...
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Its pretty much what keeps the consumer electronic market thriving. In Tv's for instance, every year a new model of the same line comes out. Its at the same price as its predecessor but is better. In return last years model goes into discounted inventory and allows people who maybe couldn't afford a 3500 dollar tv get last years top model which is still a great tv for around 2k. There is nothing negative about things moving forward and getting better. No one is saying Amd should have to change their entire architecture every year but should they be giving you the consumer a better/faster product every year? Your damn right they should.

so companies should rush products out the door even if it is marginally better than the last gen just to drive the prices down on older stock... ok then
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GTX 780 will be announced March 2013 according to this graph. One month after Titan. Highly sceptical about it but its the only thing we`ve heard about it. Might happen

(You also see Maxwell listed there as well GM100). March 2014 which seems very plausible.

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I'm not mad. I intended to return to Nvidia next anyway (either with two Titans or more likely two 680 Lightnings). AMD obviously doesn't feel threatened that NV will release 7XX anytime soon or they wouldn't be announcing this. You can be sure that both will release the next gen around the same general time frame...

Why in gods name would you assume its safe to assume that? They haven't released cards at the same time for many generations.
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Rumors state that both AMD and nvidia are releasing their true next gen in Q4. Titan is an outlier, it really isn't considered next gen (limited edition product costing 1000$+)

Real talk: let's face the facts: hardly anyone is going to buy Titan because only 10,000 are being made worldwide and the cost is ridiculous. Yes, I want one - but i'm also not the typical customer either. Far from it. People like me make up .00001% of customers.

Current GPUs are fine until the true 700 / HD8000 series are released in Q4. Games aren't really demanding enough at this point and time, and 200$ is still the sweet spot for most users.

 

Again, do you have a source? If AMD Sea Island goes 2014 and Maxwell will go 2015 (therefore Kepler 2.0, 2014) I'm getting Titan...

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Pretty pathetic considering when the 7970 was launched.That's going to be two years.
 
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