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Agreed. In a way I'm rather amazed at how close the 7970 GE is to Titan in a lot of the tests. Seems to be head and shoulders above the 680 now...

Not an NVIDIA sympathizer, but keep in mind that better drivers are probably on the way. Just look at how much better the 7970 is now than it was at launch.

Kepler is Fermi 2.0, GCN is completely new, so AMD always had more performance to unlock...nVidia has a bit, I'm sure but it won't be much and those performance gains will apply to all their cards and will not bring the Titan further above the 680 unless nVidia doesn't apply some of the tweaks to GK104.
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Kepler is Fermi 2.0, GCN is completely new, so AMD always had more performance to unlock...nVidia has a bit, I'm sure but it won't be much and those performance gains will apply to all their cards and will not bring the Titan further above the 680 unless nVidia doesn't apply some of the tweaks to GK104.

They can always upscale dies for more raw performance, if the architecture allows so. I doubt NVidia could make a larger die than GK110 without needing vast surfaces for tangible improvements. After all, GK110 is 2X GK104 and performance is in the best of the situations, 1.5-1.6X.

But I agree AMD is in advantage here, with GCN being brand new with vast amounts of room for improvement.
   
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here's another Q&A from Hexus, this time with Darren McPhee

http://hexus.net/tech/features/graphics/51993-qa-amd-bullish-radeon-success-2013/

nothing new really but worth a quick read I think.
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TBH i don't think that the Titan would improve with drivers for two main reasons:
1) based on the little history of the 680 drivers didn't do a whole lot to improve performance. (compared to AMD's efforts, even though the latency problem but luckily AMD now are fixing or try to)

2) the Titan is already fast enough and already a niche premium product so Nvidia could call it a day with better drivers for it. (plus the already new features introduced with the titan)


despite the above arguments i might be wrong but nevertheless the more competition between the red and green camps the merrier. (most of the times)
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Kepler is Fermi 2.0, GCN is completely new, so AMD always had more performance to unlock...nVidia has a bit, I'm sure but it won't be much and those performance gains will apply to all their cards and will not bring the Titan further above the 680 unless nVidia doesn't apply some of the tweaks to GK104.

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But I agree AMD is in advantage here, with GCN being brand new with vast amounts of room for improvement.

Nah, nVidia can go quite a bit larger yet, they had to move the image output circuitry off to a second chip for G80 and GT200/GT200b and likely could do that again to have a massive GPU if they wanted.
AMD has the advantage by far at this point in time, assuming GCN scales up well.
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I think it's obvious AMD doesn't have to worry about TITAN.

NVIDIA has priced it so high, it doesn't end up competing with anything other than the GTX 690....
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I think it's obvious AMD doesn't have to worry about TITAN.

NVIDIA has priced it so high, it doesn't end up competing with anything other than the GTX 690....

Exactly and AMD is rumored to be working on a 7990 that is supposed to be 1 GHz+
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Exactly and AMD is rumored to be working on a 7990 that is supposed to be 1 GHz+

And destroy their FirePRO sales? I doubt it.
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I personally would like to see something along the lines of the 7870 XT cards, but with 3GB come from AMD in the 8000 series. The performance, especially compared to the cost, of them is huge, and in Crossfire they are stellar performers. As I said over in the main Titan thread, if I was at 1080P I would just run two of those in CF and call it a day, unfortunately at 1440P I have broken 2GB of VRAM usage before.

After ultimately passing on Titan, due to the performance not being as high as thought, I can't wait to see what AMD puts out with the 8000 series.
    
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I personally would like to see something along the lines of the 7870 XT cards, but with 3GB come from AMD in the 8000 series. The performance, especially compared to the cost, of them is huge, and in Crossfire they are stellar performers. As I said over in the main Titan thread, if I was at 1080P I would just run two of those in CF and call it a day, unfortunately at 1440P I have broken 2GB of VRAM usage before.

After ultimately passing on Titan, due to the performance not being as high as thought, I can't wait to see what AMD puts out with the 8000 series.

The problem is that card with 3GB would cannibalize 7950 sale quite a bit imo. I think the current 7870 ($220), 7870 XT($250), 7950($300) all hold their price point very well and there is no need to introduce a new product in this range.
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