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TPU has been wrong before... and GTX 780 at 800MHz? I doubt that would be much faster than the 680 at stock... In fact, I bet it would compete well with the 7970 GHz at stock.

That one actually have 900MHz as turbo boost if you click on the TPU link. It also have 1920 cores instead of GTX 680s 1536 cores. Plus it have 384bit bus instead of 256bit, 192GB/s vs 288GB/s. Pretty big difference.
TDP is 250W too so the real turbo GPU frequency for that GPU is gonna be same as GTX 680, 1000MHz. 25% increase in cores will probably net 25% increase in TDP. 195W x 1.25 = 245W. Roughly. But that is without taking architecture improvements in to account which TPU failed to see. TDP of GK114 will be lower. 215W maybe?

So it will beat 7970GHz. Not just because it have 25% more cores than 680 but also because it have a lot more bandwidth now, which is one of the reasons why 680 struggled against 7970GHz in the higher resolutions

IF those specs are true. Might be wrong thumb.gif
Edited by Cloudfire777 - 2/15/13 at 2:25pm
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With the way he was talking, yes. Hence my sarcasm.
There's literally nothing bad, either.

Trollolol? No new high end card means no more price drops often, no new card to be available with more performance, and slower price/performance gains.

You are well trained, AMD fanatic. Bahhhhh!
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They have been, and usually there has been a good reason for it. The thing about Core clocks is you can never been sure comparing 1 generation or really 1 core to another based solely on clocks. Fermi was significantly slower clocks then kepler, but its power was not significantly slower then kepler.

It's still Kepler. Gx100 -> Gx110 increases per-core performance by next to nothing usually.
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They still have 6 weeks to go to hit a year since the release of the 600 series. We will see if your correct by then. I doubt Nvidia will drop the ball like Amd and not give us 700 this summer

It's obvious to tell what you are going to guess will happen based on your posting patterns.
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I would just give up with these guys. No matter how much Amd fails them they will always see Red.

Did this guy of all people just imply that us AMD supporters are fanboys? AMD sold me a ~$300 card that stands up to ~$450 cards from NVIDIA when both are overclocked. That's failing?
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That one actually have 900MHz as turbo boost if you click on the TPU link. It also have 1920 cores instead of GTX 680s 1536 cores. Plus it have 384bit bus instead of 256bit, 192GB/s vs 288GB/s.
TDP is 250W too so the real turbo GPU frequency for that GPU is gonna be same as GTX 680, 1000MHz. 25% increase in cores will net 25% increase in TDP. Roughly.

So it will beat 7970GHz solid. Not because it have 25% more cores than 680 but also because it have a lot more bandwidth now, which is one of the reasons why 680 struggled against 7970GHz in the higher resolutions

IF those specs are true. Might be wrong thumb.gif

Gx1x4 chip with the same bus width as the Gx1x0 chip of the same generation? Color me skeptical. If it's actually true I have no doubt that it'll crush the 7970 GHz though. I doubt AMD is expecting NVIDIA to do that however; I'd expect them to rush the 8970 if that's the case just to remain relevant. We'll see if TPU's release dates are right. By bets are on them being wrong.
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Trollolol? No new high end card means no more price drops often, no new card to be available with more performance, and slower price/performance gains.

You are well trained, AMD fanatic. Bahhhhh!

I think it has more to do with epeen than fanaticism. My epeen is longer than that of those who have 6950s, even though many of them really don't have any need for anything better.
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Gx1x4 chip with the same bus width as the Gx1x0 chip of the same generation? Color me skeptical. If it's actually true I have no doubt that it'll crush the 7970 GHz though. I doubt AMD is expecting NVIDIA to do that however; I'd expect them to rush the 8970 if that's the case just to remain relevant. We'll see if TPU's release dates are right. By bets are on them being wrong.

Oh yes, I`m with you here. A bit sceptical that the specs are correct. Im just stating that -if- they were smile.gif

If Nvidia release GTX 780 in Q4 which I also highly doubt, it doesn`t matter to AMD. New architecture will always trumph a simple Kepler refresh. It will be a feast for AMD. Perhaps thats why AMD have no other plan than to let 7970GHz be their top card for almost entire 2013. thumb.gif
Edited by Cloudfire777 - 2/15/13 at 2:31pm
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Oh yes, I`m with you here. A bit sceptical that the specs are correct. Im just stating -if- they were smile.gif

If Nvidia release GTX 780 in Q4 which I also highly doubt, it doesn`t matter to AMD. New architecture will always trumph a simple Kepler refresh. It will be a feast for AMD thumb.gif

I expect AMD's "new architecture" to be a refresh with some efficiency enhancements and HSA optimizations... AMD tends to rehash the same architecture for a long time (VLIW started with the HD 2000 series and wasn't replaced even on the high end until about a year ago and is expected to be in use on lower-range cards through the HD 8000 series). Same goes for their CPU department. On top of that, the Kepler refresh is really significant... nothing's stopping NVIDIA from releasing a cheap barely-slower GK110 to match AMD's next generation, similar to what they did with the 8800 GT. Unless AMD actually has made significant improvements I don't see a 2560SP/384b/48ROP/1050MHz 8970 beating GK110 (which basically has very similar specifications on top of higher efficiency per core).

GTX 780 anywhere in 2H 2013 wouldn't surprise me.
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I'm happy with my 2 7970s at this moment in time. I want faster CPUs to come out as I am still on a i7 875K which is 45nm
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I'm happy with my 2 7970s at this moment in time. I want faster CPUs to come out as I am still on a i7 875K which is 45nm

Even Piledriver is faster than your CPU, bro. I doubt you're going to be looking at any CPUs significantly better than what we have now until 2015 anyway.
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I would just give up with these guys. No matter how much Amd fails them they will always see Red.

Who are you talking about with these cryptic AMD fanboy accusations? You're the only one banging on about how AMD is such a failure. The rest of us are simply saying its not that big a deal to go more than a year between GPU generations. I've noted several times that it took Nvidia 16 months to release the 580 successor and Usario mentioned the time between Fermi and Tesla. AMD is still well within the range of a normal release cycle, deal with it
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Pretty pathetic considering when the 7970 was launched.That's going to be two years.

If that ends up being a two-year period where Team Green can't take the single-GPU performance crown, then the shame should go to both sides. AMD needs to maximize revenue more than they need to push the performance envelope, and nVidia has yet to force the issue.
    
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I'm pretty certain either company has insider info and/or can pretty much tell when the competitor is about to launch a brand new series of products, roughly at least. There are signs and hints everywhere, from Santa Clara and Sunnyvale all the way to Taiwan. My guess is that AMD is in no big rush cause nvidia is stalling as well. But if this "delay" is caused by financial issues, then team red is in big trouble. Not sure how long they could keep market share when a 7970Ghz would have to compete against something like a 760ti, not to mention the impact this would have on their winnings. And it is not as If AMD can afford to mess their GPU segment with all that turbulence they are into.

As for pricing,I don't see AMD charging premiums for the 7970, not with all those price drops and bundles. If a successor was to come out it would most certainly cost much more, launch price and all. Lack of new tech is never a good thing though. One can argue that there are no games that require more punch from what AMD or nvidia has to offer right now (I disagree) but there is certainly nothing wrong with having more choices on the table in the form of new products.
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