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Having never given the original Wii any attention, I actually did look into the Wii U as I was curious to see if Nintendo was offering a solid product this time around. The pro's I noticed were actualy 1080p display output, HDMI output (and cord included out of the box standard model), and a fairly decent library of Nintendo's standard Mario/Zelda fare.

The cons that I noticed however outweighed the pro's enough that I still can't justify the purchase: too many gimmicks worked in that don't seem to have a clear usefulness, slapped together online features that seem to chase after those offered my Microsoft and Sony in a way that comes off as buggy and just all over the place in terms of features, and horrible battery life on the little screen controller thing. I think Nintendo tried to revolutionize too much when they should have simply been refining the original Wii or focusing on an entirely new platform altogether.

Like most people, I'm still not interested in consoles as much as I used to be 10 years ago.
    
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Oh please. You hardly have to be a hater of Nintendo to recognize that they have had some spectacular flops in the past, and the signs are pointing towards Wii U being another added to the list, unless they change some things up QUICK.

No one is saying that Sony and Microsoft haven't also had their fair share of failed ventures.

Ok, then other then the virtual boy, what were those "spectacular flops" you're talking about? Tell me, what exactly do they need to change quickly?

Everyone goes on about this, yet I have not heard anything about what those flops and changes are.
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While I agree that the next generation of hardware isn't going to be worlds better than what the Wii U offers, it's still a fact that the Wii U doesn't offer any significant upgrade to the graphics that the 7 year old systems offer. Plus, the fact that many people see the tablet controller as a gimmick, regardless of whether it is actually implemented well into gameplay or not.

So essentially, I could spend $300 on a system with barely any games at all, and (given Nintendo's history) little potential 3rd-party support, OR I could pay $250 for a system with years and years of reliability testing and improvements, as well as years and years of a game back catalog.

I would pick the 360/PS3 over the Wii U 10 times out of 10.

Kinect / Move / Wii U tablet are all 'gimmicks' to some extent, but it cannot be denied they do change the experience as well, some better then others of course.

As far as pricing goes, that's not really a fair call unless you plan to put it towards ps4 & 720 as well. Of course a new, more expensive system's going to have a smaller library when it's only been out 3 months vs 10 years. If everybody followed that rule, no one would ever buy a new console.
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When I said could it be their dreamcast, I meant if they find there's more money to be had in being a 3rd party than a console maker. I definitely don't expect them to drop out of handheld.
720 looks to likely have Gears and Forza titles to launch with and the PS4 will have Killzone, God of War, and Gran Turismo... They learned that your launch lineup can't be led by Perfect Dark.
They absolutely can afford it if Sony/Microsoft back them. Remember that consoles spend 1-2 years selling at a loss, and they're going to want to run this next generation even longer than the last.
Problem with the 3DS was it was launched as a gimmick, once 3ds games focused on being games before having a touch screen it changed.

Source on Forza / Gears? More so because Forza is about the only thing driving my want for the 720.

The problem is, for Nintendo since the gamecube, the consoles never sold at a loss, until the Wii U. However that loss is made up I believe with the sale of just one game (or at most, two IIRC).

3ds was too focused on the 3d of course, but the games have finally rolled out. Very happy with my 3ds XL purchase thus far.
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Ok, then other then the virtual boy, what were those "spectacular flops" you're talking about? Tell me, what exactly do they need to change quickly?

Everyone goes on about this, yet I have not heard anything about what those flops and changes are.

The Gamecube sold HORRENDOUSLY for a long time, at least here in the states, until Nintendo slashed the price to $99. Add to the list the 3DS, until they slashed the price by over 30% not even 6 months into its lifespan, and gave early adopters 20 free games (10 NES and 10 GBA games). Plus the Virtual Boy, as you mentioned.

It's well-known that if the Wii hadn't been as huge a success as it was, Nintendo would most likely have been out of the home console game, and simply been a 3rd-party developer, or focused solely on their handheld division. Nintendo even stopped producing the Gamecube for a period because they had such a big surplus of them in warehouses.
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Kinect / Move / Wii U tablet are all 'gimmicks' to some extent, but it cannot be denied they do change the experience as well, some better then others of course.

As far as pricing goes, that's not really a fair call unless you plan to put it towards ps4 & 720 as well. Of course a new, more expensive system's going to have a smaller library when it's only been out 3 months vs 10 years. If everybody followed that rule, no one would ever buy a new console.
Source on Forza / Gears? More so because Forza is about the only thing driving my want for the 720.

The problem is, for Nintendo since the gamecube, the consoles never sold at a loss, until the Wii U. However that loss is made up I believe with the sale of just one game (or at most, two IIRC).

3ds was too focused on the 3d of course, but the games have finally rolled out. Very happy with my 3ds XL purchase thus far.

We here at OCN understand this, but the average consumer doesn't have that much foresight. The Wii's best strengths were that it was quirky, cute, and something completely different. The Wii U, to me, just seems too much like a tablet with analog sticks.

Plus, don't forget that once the 720 and PS4 are out, the Wii U will most likely be plodding along in 3rd place once again when it comes to graphics. We won't know for sure until at least firm specs come out for the next-gen systems, but it doesn't take too much imagination to see it unfolding that way. I see the Wii U being a moderate success for Nintendo at best.
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It's well-known that if the Wii hadn't been as huge a success as it was, Nintendo would most likely have been out of the home console game, and simply been a 3rd-party developer, or focused solely on their handheld division.

That's so untrue it's almost sig worthy. What was Nintendo's quote again...oh yea... "The day we stop producing hardware is the day we stop producing software" Yes, you can interpret that as meaning handles but in all reality, they meant in general as the handhelds are dying more than home consoles due to phones/tablets.
     
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That's so untrue it's almost sig worthy. What was Nintendo's quote again...oh yea... "The day we stop producing hardware is the day we stop producing software" Yes, you can interpret that as meaning handles but in all reality, they meant in general as the handhelds are dying more than home consoles due to phones/tablets.

Is that why in the year immediately following the Gamecube's release, Nintendo stock basically free fell over 60%, landing it at the lowest point it has ever been?

It is common knowledge that the Gamecube's lack of initial sales almost destroyed Nintendo. That quote sounds like nothing but damage control, and trying to assure on-the-fence buyers that the system was here to stay.
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The Gamecube sold HORRENDOUSLY for a long time, at least here in the states, until Nintendo slashed the price to $99. Add to the list the 3DS, until they slashed the price by over 30% not even 6 months into its lifespan, and gave early adopters 20 free games (10 NES and 10 GBA games). Plus the Virtual Boy, as you mentioned.

I do believe that was only half of my question. But I wouldn't call the gamecube a horrendous failure. Those who owned one likely have fond memories of it, I know I do. I wouldn't call the 3DS a failure as, well, it's sold more then the Game Cube. And I already said that the virtual boy doesn't count.

Even so, that's 3 mistakes in a line up of... oh... 17ish consoles. Nintendo has been at this for a long time, longer then you've probably been alive. Sony and Microsoft have made many many more mistakes, but of course we can't count those because Nintendo focuses on games now and Microsoft's and Sony's mistakes are usually on different playing fields. Except the PSP, PS3, Vita, and Playstation 4. Which is 4 out of 6 fyi. A far bigger failure rate.
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Is that why in the year immediately following the Gamecube's release, Nintendo stock basically free fell over 60%, landing it at the lowest point it has ever been?

It is common knowledge that the Gamecube's lack of initial sales almost destroyed Nintendo. That quote sounds like nothing but damage control, and trying to assure on-the-fence buyers that the system was here to stay.

Not going to derail this further... but seriously... almost destroyed Nintendo? Man, somebody get this guy a link to their financial records wink.gif

I'm not even a huge nintendo fan (despite my avatar ironically) - but to say they almost were destroyed or on the verge of dropping out is madness to me. Now if they made a bunch of virtual boy flops back to back I'd be inclined to agree, but the gamecube was far from being a nail in the coffin.
     
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I do believe that was only half of my question. But I wouldn't call the gamecube a horrendous failure. Those who owned one likely have fond memories of it, I know I do. I wouldn't call the 3DS a failure as, well, it's sold more then the Game Cube. And I already said that the virtual boy doesn't count.

Even so, that's 3 mistakes in a line up of... oh... 17ish consoles. Nintendo has been at this for a long time, longer then you've probably been alive. Sony and Microsoft have made many many more mistakes, but of course we can't count those because Nintendo focuses on games now and Microsoft's and Sony's mistakes are usually on different playing fields. Except the PSP, PS3, Vita, and Playstation 4. Which is 4 out of 6 fyi. A far bigger failure rate.

Wait... are you saying that the PSP, PS3, Vita, and PS4 are all failures? I'll give you the Vita (despite it being seriously awesome), but the PSP? That's no more a failure than the 3DS was. I say "was" because Nintendo slashing the price of the 3DS is exactly what they should have done, and I'm predicting what they'll have to do with the Wii U before too long. That counts as doing something drastic to turn their sales around. The PS3 was absolutely not a failure, and the PS4 hasn't even had the specs released yet!

Plus, Sony and Microsoft are gigantic corporations that can weather a financial storm caused by a complete console failure. Nintendo is almost entirely games-focused, and cannot shrug off financial disaster like that.
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Not going to derail this further... but seriously... almost destroyed Nintendo? Man, somebody get this guy a link to their financial records wink.gif

I'm not even a huge nintendo fan (despite my avatar ironically) - but to say they almost were destroyed or on the verge of dropping out is madness to me. Now if they made a bunch of virtual boy flops back to back I'd be inclined to agree, but the gamecube was far from being a nail in the coffin.

Their financial records were what I was looking at. Plus, I never said the Gamecube killed them. My point was that the Wii more or less saved them. If the Wii had turned out to be Gamecube 2.0, Nintendo as we know it today would be DRASTICALLY different. Check out page 50 of the 2003 official Nintendo financial report for more details.
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Wait... are you saying that the PSP, PS3, Vita, and PS4 are all failures? I'll give you the Vita (despite it being seriously awesome), but the PSP? That's no more a failure than the 3DS was. I say "was" because Nintendo slashing the price of the 3DS is exactly what they should have done, and I'm predicting what they'll have to do with the Wii U before too long. That counts as doing something drastic to turn their sales around. The PS3 was absolutely not a failure, and the PS4 hasn't even had the specs released yet!

If you consider the PSP a success then the Gamecube must be one too. If you consider the PS3 a success, then the 3DS has been as well. And I meant to say Playstation Phone, not 4. That was a mistake on my end.
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