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post #181 of 2353
Hi everybody! I've finally decided to try a mechanical keyboard. I've been touch typing on Dvorak using Apple's flat "chiclet" keyboards, which are really nice IMHO, but lately I've started feeling a bit "cramped" for space.

I'm specifically looking for a TKL USB with cherry blues and blank keycaps (any color). So far I've only found the one below, thanks to Paradigm84's advice to CptAsian. By the way, I was able to find the completely blank version, instead of the engraved one.

Are there any other models with these specs? I saw the Filco Ninja TKL, but it's not completely blank. Which one do you think has a better build quality? Filco or Ducky?

Also, I like the idea of the o-ring dampeners, because I'll be using it at the office and any sound dampening is a good thing. But I'm sure I'd hate the brown switches, so they are not an option—until I start getting screamed at smile.gif Does anybody know which of the o-ring types would fit these keyboards the best?

In that same vein, has anybody tried some cheapo o-rings from a random hardware store?

Finally, those Topre switches look mighty fine. Are there any decent-priced keyboards with them, or are they the Ferrari of keyboards?

  • Any keyboards you currently have in mind: Ducky TKL, PBT, Blue Cherry MX, blank (not to be confused with the engraved one) or possibly Filco Ninja TKL, clickey
  • Price: < 150
  • Backlighting: not needed
  • Size: TKL
  • Use: programming, touch typing
  • USB/PS2: USB
  • KRO: not needed
  • Macro keys: not needed
  • Media keys: not needed
  • Layout: US of A! The European layout we have here infuriates me to no end! HELLOOO, does nobody care that their return key is three keys away from their pinky? what manner of stupidity is this??? why not put it on the bottom of the keyboard, while you're at it! and don't get me started on the left shift!! grrr#@$&
  • Switch type: Cherry MX blue, or maybe Topre if not too expensive?

Edited by etatoby - 5/26/13 at 10:37am
post #182 of 2353
So I've finally decided to get myself a mechanical keyboard again, but I've found out I've been spoiled by both the underfinger feel as well as aesthetic of "island" style chiclet keyboards, but find the clicky feel a bit lacking at the same time.
And I tend to wear them out far far too fast for it to be worth it. So I've essentially been wondering if anyone knows of any decent Cherry MX reds which actually look like standard chiclets but act like reds.

I just honestly can't seem to find anything similar really sadly.
  • Price: not terribly important
  • Backlighting (yes (colour?)/ no ): not important, but would be nice.
  • Size (60%, TKL, full size etc): TKL with a num switch ideally
  • Use (games/ programming/ typing etc): gaming, lots and lots of typing
  • USB/ PS2: USB
  • KRO: 5+
  • Macro keys (yes/ no): not important
  • Media keys (yes/ no): not important
  • Layout (US/ ANSI, etc): Ideally CZ-CS but I can add labels
  • Switch type (if not known complete the questions below): Ideally Cherry MX red
post #183 of 2353
Thread Starter 
Quote:
Originally Posted by CookieMonsu View Post

  • Any keyboards you currently have in mind: Leopolds, Filcos, Tesoro Durandal series, CM Storm Trigger
  • Price: Max $120
  • Backlighting (yes (colour?)/ no ): Preferable, but not necessary
  • Size (60%, TKL, full size etc): Full size
  • Use (games/ programming/ typing etc): General use, typing, and gaming
  • USB/ PS2: Both
  • KRO: 6 to N
  • Macro keys (yes/ no): Preferable
  • Media keys (yes/ no): Preferable
  • Layout (US/ ANSI, etc): If US/ANSI is what does common keyboard in, then yes
  • Switch type (if not known complete the questions below):
  • *Noise level (high/low): Low
  • *Tactility (yes/ no): Never felt one, so preferably yes, but not necessary
  • *Stiffness (high/ low): Low


Would you be buying from your country? If so do you have any sites you would buy from so I can see prices? I only ask because without knowing how the prices compare, I can't really recommend any boards.

Quote:
Originally Posted by etatoby View Post

Hi everybody! I've finally decided to try a mechanical keyboard. I've been touch typing on Dvorak using Apple's flat "chiclet" keyboards, which are really nice IMHO, but lately I've started feeling a bit "cramped" for space.

I'm specifically looking for a TKL USB with cherry blues and blank keycaps (any color). So far I've only found the one below, thanks to Paradigm84's advice to CptAsian. By the way, I was able to find the completely blank version, instead of the engraved one.

Are there any other models with these specs? I saw the Filco Ninja TKL, but it's not completely blank. Which one do you think has a better build quality? Filco or Ducky?

Also, I like the idea of the o-ring dampeners, because I'll be using it at the office and any sound dampening is a good thing. But I'm sure I'd hate the brown switches, so they are not an option—until I start getting screamed at smile.gif Does anybody know which of the o-ring types would fit these keyboards the best?

In that same vein, has anybody tried some cheapo o-rings from a random hardware store?

Finally, those Topre switches look mighty fine. Are there any decent-priced keyboards with them, or are they the Ferrari of keyboards?

  • Any keyboards you currently have in mind: Ducky TKL, PBT, Blue Cherry MX, blank (not to be confused with the engraved one) or possibly Filco Ninja TKL, clickey
  • Price: < 150
  • Backlighting: not needed
  • Size: TKL
  • Use: programming, touch typing
  • USB/PS2: USB
  • KRO: not needed
  • Macro keys: not needed
  • Media keys: not needed
  • Layout: US of A! The European layout we have here infuriates me to no end! HELLOOO, does nobody care that their return key is three keys away from their pinky? what manner of stupidity is this??? why not put it on the bottom of the keyboard, while you're at it! and don't get me started on the left shift!! grrr#@$&
  • Switch type: Cherry MX blue, or maybe Topre if not too expensive?

I'm not sure which between the Ducky and Filco I'd choose, the Ducky has more of the stuff you are looking for, however it uses Cherry stabilisers (which some people find "squishy") which the Filco does not.

As for which has the better quality, the quality on both is excellent and comparing the two for build quality might give different answers depending on who you ask, personally I feel the Filco would be at the top, but arguments can be made for Ducky being better also.

I personally have these on my Filco.

Topre keyboards are generally expensive because of the switch they use, incredibly high reliability/ build quality and very nice keycaps. I haven't tried one personally but I haven't heard bad words said about them from anybody who has one. Also I can't think of a topre board around the same price as high-end MX switches, I can only think of some around $250.

Also I wouldn't exclude the idea of buying a keyboard with printed keycaps and then buying an extra set, you'd have a much larger choice of board and colour for the keycaps that way.

Quote:
Originally Posted by catfood View Post

So I've finally decided to get myself a mechanical keyboard again, but I've found out I've been spoiled by both the underfinger feel as well as aesthetic of "island" style chiclet keyboards, but find the clicky feel a bit lacking at the same time.
And I tend to wear them out far far too fast for it to be worth it. So I've essentially been wondering if anyone knows of any decent Cherry MX reds which actually look like standard chiclets but act like reds.

I just honestly can't seem to find anything similar really sadly.
  • Price: not terribly important
  • Backlighting (yes (colour?)/ no ): not important, but would be nice.
  • Size (60%, TKL, full size etc): TKL with a num switch ideally
  • Use (games/ programming/ typing etc): gaming, lots and lots of typing
  • USB/ PS2: USB
  • KRO: 5+
  • Macro keys (yes/ no): not important
  • Media keys (yes/ no): not important
  • Layout (US/ ANSI, etc): Ideally CZ-CS but I can add labels
  • Switch type (if not known complete the questions below): Ideally Cherry MX red

Sorry to say but I'm not sure such a thing exists.

The problem lies in the fact that MX switches have a bottoming out distance of 4mm and actuation at 2mm, a chiclet keyboard has a bottoming out distance of around 2mm and an actuation at the same point. You could probably make an MX Red board feel similar to a chiclet board by putting two O-rings on each switch, but it wouldn't have the aesthetics of the chiclet board that you are looking for (unless you found some very weird cube shaped keycaps and then made a cover or a new raised backplate that covers the gaps between the keys. Then it would look fairly similar to a chiclet board. tongue.gif )
Edited by Paradigm84 - 5/26/13 at 3:28pm
post #184 of 2353
Ah, shame to hear that. Still thanks for the reply.
post #185 of 2353
Quote:
Originally Posted by Paradigm84 View Post

Would you be buying from your country? If so do you have any sites you would buy from so I can see prices? I only ask because without knowing how the prices compare, I can't really recommend any boards.
I'm not sure which between the Ducky and Filco I'd choose, the Ducky has more of the stuff you are looking for, however it uses Cherry stabilisers (which some people find "squishy") which the Filco does not.

As for which has the better quality, the quality on both is excellent and comparing the two for build quality might give different answers depending on who you ask, personally I feel the Filco would be at the top, but arguments can be made for Ducky being better also.

I personally have these on my Filco.

Topre keyboards are generally expensive because of the switch they use, incredibly high reliability/ build quality and very nice keycaps. I haven't tried one personally but I haven't heard bad words said about them from anybody who has one. Also I can't think of a topre board around the same price as high-end MX switches, I can only think of some around $250.

Also I wouldn't exclude the idea of buying a keyboard with printed keycaps and then buying an extra set, you'd have a much larger choice of board and colour for the keycaps that way.
Sorry to say but I'm not sure such a thing exists.

The problem lies in the fact that MX switches have a bottoming out distance of 4mm and actuation at 2mm, a chiclet keyboard has a bottoming out distance of around 2mm and an actuation at the same point. You could probably make an MX Red board feel similar to a chiclet board by putting two O-rings on each switch, but it wouldn't have the aesthetics of the chiclet board that you are looking for (unless you found some very weird cube shaped keycaps and then made a cover or a new raised backplate that covers the gaps between the keys. Then it would look fairly similar to a chiclet board. tongue.gif )
Yes of course, as i mentioned before.
http://goodgamingshop.com/category/mechanical-keyboard
http://www.kaskus.co.id/post/000000000000000330664562#post000000000000000330664562
Those site will do. However please list any unlikely (to purchase) board for further considerations, who knows if I could hook up with person selling that particular board.
Edited by CookieMonsu - 5/30/13 at 6:43pm
post #186 of 2353
Any keyboards you currently have in mind: I was looking at the Das Model S Ultimate, the Cooler Master Storm Quickfire TK, and a couple of Duckys, but I'm willing to look at anything.
Price: As low as possible, I'd like to keep it close to $100, $90 if possible.
Backlighting (yes (colour?)/ no ): I'd prefer it, but it doesn't really matter.
Size (60%, TKL, full size etc): Full size, I do need tenkey
Use (games/ programming/ typing etc): Programming/typing/some gaming
USB/ PS2: USB
KRO: NKRO
Macro keys (yes/ no): Don't Care
Media keys (yes/ no): Don't Care
Layout (US/ ANSI, etc): US
Switch type (if not known complete the questions below): I'd prefer the Blues, but I'm open to Reds or Browns.
*Noise level (high/low):
*Tactility (yes/ no):
*Stiffness (high/ low):
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post #187 of 2353
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Originally Posted by sailerboy View Post

Any keyboards you currently have in mind: I was looking at the Das Model S Ultimate, the Cooler Master Storm Quickfire TK, and a couple of Duckys, but I'm willing to look at anything.
Price: As low as possible, I'd like to keep it close to $100, $90 if possible.
Backlighting (yes (colour?)/ no ): I'd prefer it, but it doesn't really matter.
Size (60%, TKL, full size etc): Full size, I do need tenkey
Use (games/ programming/ typing etc): Programming/typing/some gaming
USB/ PS2: USB
KRO: NKRO
Macro keys (yes/ no): Don't Care
Media keys (yes/ no): Don't Care
Layout (US/ ANSI, etc): US
Switch type (if not known complete the questions below): I'd prefer the Blues, but I'm open to Reds or Browns.
*Noise level (high/low):
*Tactility (yes/ no):
*Stiffness (high/ low):

Also consider the CM Storm QF Rapid Pro if you're open to MX Reds, otherwise the Ducky DK9008G2, Ducky DK2108.

You could also wait for the Ducky DK2108S (Zero Shine) to be released, I'd anticipate it will be around the price point you have stated and looks promising:



At the moment they have stated only Orange and Blue backlighting, but they have said on their UK Facebook page (direct quote):
Quote:
Maybe more colours will be added at a latter date

Which makes me think if the models they offer on launch sell well and their is significant demand, they will produce them in some or all of the colours the more expensive Shine II is available in (Red, Yellow, Purple, Green, White aswell as the Blue and Orange on release).
post #188 of 2353
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Originally Posted by Paradigm84 View Post

Also consider the CM Storm QF Rapid Pro if you're open to MX Reds, otherwise the Ducky DK9008G2, Ducky DK2108.

You could also wait for the Ducky DK2108S (Zero Shine) to be released, I'd anticipate it will be around the price point you have stated and looks promising:



At the moment they have stated only Orange and Blue backlighting, but they have said on their UK Facebook page (direct quote):
Which makes me think if the models they offer on launch sell well and their is significant demand, they will produce them in some or all of the colours the more expensive Shine II is available in (Red, Yellow, Purple, Green, White aswell as the Blue and Orange on release).

The Ducky DK2108S looks nice actually. I'm not liking the idea of the MX Reds, I want my switches to have a solid "clack" to them, which apparently, the reds lack. I'm not a huge fan of lighter keys, so I think that I'd probably prefer the blues.

What I was honestly hoping for was something like the Das Model S Ultimate, but cheaper. I really like how the keycaps are blank, so they won't really wear out (there's nothing to wear out). I think it looks better too, and I already type at around 90 WPM, so I doubt that I would need any help with that. 10key is a must for me though.

EDIT: Linux support is also a must. This should go without saying, but some manufacturers lately have liked to add proprietary elements to their keyboards that simply won't work on Linux.
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post #189 of 2353
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The Ducky DK2108S looks nice actually. I'm not liking the idea of the MX Reds, I want my switches to have a solid "clack" to them, which apparently, the reds lack. I'm not a huge fan of lighter keys, so I think that I'd probably prefer the blues.

What I was honestly hoping for was something like the Das Model S Ultimate, but cheaper. I really like how the keycaps are blank, so they won't really wear out (there's nothing to wear out). I think it looks better too, and I already type at around 90 WPM, so I doubt that I would need any help with that. 10key is a must for me though.

EDIT: Linux support is also a must. This should go without saying, but some manufacturers lately have liked to add proprietary elements to their keyboards that simply won't work on Linux.

Actually, if you're bottoming out the switches, then they will all have a "clack" sound, it's just Blues and some other varieties that have a "click" halfway down.

The keycaps on the Model S Ultimate are blank, so the letters won't wear down, however the keycaps will develop a "shine" over time which some people (myself included) feel detracts from the keycap. It's worth noting that aftermarket keycaps are widely available (depending on the layout).
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Actually, if you're bottoming out the switches, then they will all have a "clack" sound, it's just Blues and some other varieties that have a "click" halfway down.

The keycaps on the Model S Ultimate are blank, so the letters won't wear down, however the keycaps will develop a "shine" over time which some people (myself included) feel detracts from the keycap. It's worth noting that aftermarket keycaps are widely available (depending on the layout).

That's what I meant about the click. Sorry, wrong term.

I just don't want to spend extra money for back lighting which I don't really need. I'd rather spend the extra money to get a keyboard that isn't backlit but is better.
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