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why are you getting a 3970x? get a 3930k instead. it's less than half the price and there is only a 3-4% performance difference between the two in benchmarks which is not noticeable at all in real world situations. with the money saved there, either build a custom water cooling loop or get an aio kit so you can OC and get even more performance out of the chip. it doesnt make sense to get a 3970x at all. it's a total waste of money

Hi, the last time I built a computer, it was roughly 7 years ago, Core2Duo and I'm typing on it right now. Still a good system and works great, but I skimped on stuff due to cost. I told myself the next build, that won't be the case. Maybe I'm going a little crazy with the best of the best of the best of the best processor. Perhaps you and others above are right.
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If your able to even survive with a C2D right now, than any LGA2011 processor is going to be huge overkill for you, even for looking at the future.
     
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Hi, the last time I built a computer, it was roughly 7 years ago, Core2Duo and I'm typing on it right now. Still a good system and works great, but I skimped on stuff due to cost. I told myself the next build, that won't be the case. Maybe I'm going a little crazy with the best of the best of the best of the best processor. Perhaps you and others above are right.

3930K and 3970X will give you the exactly the same performance at the same clock , the only difference is their stock/turbo clock rate (3.2/3.8Ghz for 3930K, 3.5/4.0 Ghz for 3970K). Once you overclock them both the difference will disappear, there is no record I am aware of that suggest 3970X OCs better than 3930K.

On HWbot.org, 3930K submissions averages 4.773Ghz on air/4.948Mhz on water, 3970X averages 4.651Ghz on air/4.989Ghz on water, 3960X which it replaced averages 4.812Ghz on air/4.923Ghz on water

In this case spending $500 extra for the 3960/70X is not worth it as there is no evidence showing the 3960/70X can OC any better than 3930K.
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Thanks for the reply.
Hmm... I thought you had to have plenty of juice to support the vid cards
You prompted me ask another question, I have two 24" monitors with 2048x1152 resolutions. How can I get best performance with a video card, or are there better cards that can support this?

The quality of the Power supply is much more important than the wattage.
A well-made PSU will provide it's rated maximum output for it's entire life (more than 5 years) with no issues at all.

A high-end GPU will normally have 1x 8-pin & 1x 6-pin power connectors (some will have 2x 8-pin), the 8-pin can provide up to 150w while the 6-pin is 75w. So the card will consume no more than 300w (75w are provided by the PCI-E slot). 3970X is rated at 150w (3930k is 130w).
Do the math & you'll only need a qaulity 500w PSU if you plan on running stock. (and that's if the CPU+GPU are under 100% load at the same time, very rare unless folding on both).

As for what GPU would be enough for such resolution, I have 2x 7970 @ 1080p and in some games (maxed out), that's not enough (like FC3).

If you want best performance from a single card at your reolution, get the 690 or wait for the Titan (paper launch on the 18th). Otherwise, you'll need a couple of 670/680s or 7950/7970s.

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Wow, very interesting. Thanks so much for the replies and the guidance.
x8x, great site, I wish I knew about it before. So I have some question in regards to this build:

  1. I dislike both AMD and ATI. I used to like ATI, but I like that Intel and Nvidia are both American companies and so I'd prefer to buy Nvidia. That being said, what would be a competing Nvidia card?
  2. As for the processor, you elected to not pick the highest one, understandable since you get diminishing returns at some price points, however you are loosing 3MB of CACHE memory which to me "seems" important as that will be your fastest memory swapps, followed by RAM
  3. I may have overstated the VM issue. I maybe run two at a time a maximum, it would be extremely rare to run three or more. Would this mean that the 32GB of RAM is slightly overkill?
  4. Over the last couple of years, I've noticed Samsung decrease quality in a lot of their products (both cell phone and dvd player I had), and maybe this is just me, but judging the fact that their price level is far lower than any of the competitors, would it make more sense to spend an additional $200 for quality?

I use my computer mostly for work stuff, so it will pay itself off on the first project I use it on, so I'm not afraid to shell out an additional $500 if I need to.

1. You can go with a 670 4GB. (4GB one not 2GB because of ur resolution)

2. I wouldn't spend $1000 on a processor when a $500 will do everything you want it to. (OC that bad boy)

3. Depends on how how much your trying to allocate to VMs. If your only running like 2 VMs(I would say less than 1GB.-2GB per), then 16GB is enough,

4. I have had no problems with my SSD, but you can also go with the Corsair if you think that 320GB will be enough storage for your needs.
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x8x, great site, I wish I knew about it before. So I have some question in regards to this build:

  1. I dislike both AMD and ATI. I used to like ATI, but I like that Intel and Nvidia are both American companies and so I'd prefer to buy Nvidia. That being said, what would be a competing Nvidia card?
  2. As for the processor, you elected to not pick the highest one, understandable since you get diminishing returns at some price points, however you are loosing 3MB of CACHE memory which to me "seems" important as that will be your fastest memory swapps, followed by RAM
  3. I may have overstated the VM issue. I maybe run two at a time a maximum, it would be extremely rare to run three or more. Would this mean that the 32GB of RAM is slightly overkill?
  4. Over the last couple of years, I've noticed Samsung decrease quality in a lot of their products (both cell phone and dvd player I had), and maybe this is just me, but judging the fact that their price level is far lower than any of the competitors, would it make more sense to spend an additional $200 for quality?

I use my computer mostly for work stuff, so it will pay itself off on the first project I use it on, so I'm not afraid to shell out an additional $500 if I need to.

I'm going to try to answer these questions as best as I can but I know some people will say I'm wrong rolleyes.gif
1. The AMD 7950 is an amazing card and if you are looking for the performance comparative card from Nvidia, I would say the GTX 670 or 680 is comparative for raw power.
2. If you will actually need that 3MB of Cache then I say just grab it. If you are running programs that heavily use the Cache, it would make a good investment.
3. Depends on what the VMs are supposed to be doing. Are they doing anything that needs a large amount of RAM, like having massive amounts of tabs open in a web browser to test websites or doing any Photoshop-esque things or any rendering? Having 32GB of RAM would probably be good to just have around if you are doing anything that is RAM-intensive. I run a few VMs for experimenting with OSs and would love to have that extra RAM there if I ever needed it.
4. The Samsung SSDs are very well-made products but the 840 series (NOT 840 Pro) uses TLC or Triple-Level Cell which handles about 1/3 of the writes a MLC SSD can. If you will be writing to the SSD a large amount of the time then look at grabbing a drive using MLC NAND.
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C2D

Sorry, what is C2D?
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4. The Samsung SSDs are very well-made products but the 840 series (NOT 840 Pro) uses TLC or Triple-Level Cell which handles about 1/3 of the writes a MLC SSD can. If you will be writing to the SSD a large amount of the time then look at grabbing a drive using MLC NAND.

interesting, thanks!
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So based on yoru recommendations, here is what I came up with: http://pcpartpicker.com/p/E1Nv

So you think the two video cards are necessary? I ask this because again I am not a big gamer.
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Sorry, what is C2D?
interesting, thanks!

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Core 2 Duo

ahh ok. Yea it runs fine, my only problem is the VMs. If I load a VM, Ubuntu for example, I got no power left. So I'm forced to dual boot.
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