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Originally Posted by adridu59 View Post

The onboard sound isn't better (see below).

As for VRM's and OC, I suggest you to read this:
http://www.overclock.net/t/1252290/z77x-ud3h-review-and-oc-testing-circuit-analysis-ln2-runs-efficiency-comparison/0_20

Read the Overclocking section and the Conclusion, everything is said. thumb.gif
For some reason you're assuming I don't know what I'm talking about. smile.gif
I read that review, it's irrelevant... it looks like a friendly piece. That's not to say the UD3H is in any way a bad board (especially given its price), but my references lie elsewhere... like HWBot for example. wink.gif
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Originally Posted by adridu59 View Post

- Also, while you're at it take a look at the BIOS pics it's not too bad. wink.gif
It's not redundant - SupremeFX III aka the nice marketing gimmick. It's just an ALC892 with shielding.
Source: http://www.guru3d.com/articles_pages/asus_maximus_v_gene_motherboard_review,2.html

You'll find this info on sparse forums too.

I wouldn't say the the Z77X-UD3H has inferior audio:
Source: http://www.overclock.net/t/1252290/z77x-ud3h-review-and-oc-testing-circuit-analysis-ln2-runs-efficiency-comparison/0_20
Again, as per above, I never stated "high end" audio anywhere... I only said it's an excellent on board implementation, which it is.
As for the redundancy of the DX, I'll say it again... if you're not gonna' mod it, don't even bother, invest a little bit more in an external solution (if it's that important).
post #32 of 53
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Originally Posted by BrighteousPony View Post

OK thank you everyone.

Here is the build again:

http://www.pccasegear.com/index.php?main_page=wish_lists&wlcId=134673&action=wish_lists

I chose the red Ducky keyboard because it matches with my Mobo, RAM.

I am not sure what the difference is between the (Cherry Blue) and (Cherry Black)?

http://www.pccasegear.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=113_1361&products_id=21033 << (Cherry Blue)

http://www.pccasegear.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=113_1361&products_id=21034 << (Cherry Black)

Sorry adridu you have been great help but I am going for high end gaming PC so I want to go with the high end parts, so i'm with Original Sin.
That's not a good way to pick a keyboard. smile.gif

To sum it up really fast.
There are 4 types of Cherry MX switches commonly found on mechanical keyboards, a few other types that are less common, I'll list them above with short descriptions..

MX-Blacks -> Linear, stiff switches, if you're coming from the typical rubber dome keyboard, these will stress your fingers. There's no tactile bump present, no audible click either.
MX-Reds -> Linear switches also, they're exactly like the MX-Blacks only far less stiff, and just like the MX-Blacks, they're not that good for typing, can be really good for gaming though (depending on what you play, still a question of preference though)
MX-Blues -> tactile and clickie switches, there's a pronounced tactile bump close to the actuation point and clear audible click, they're middle ground in terms of stiffness when compared to the Reds or Blacks, they're very nice for typing, they're not that good for gaming though.
MX-Browns -> These are tactile, non clickie switches, there's a nice tactile bump close to the actuation point but no audible click, these are slightly stiffer than the Reds and slightly softer than the Blues, these are very nice middle ground switches that will work well in both gaming and typing for most people, and it's what I'd suggest you go for if this is your first mechanical keyboard.

MX-Greens -> far less common than the 4 types listed above, these are stiffer versions of the MX-Blues
MX-Grays -> these are even stiffer versions of the MX-Blacks, far less common also
MX-Clears -> these are stiffer versions of the MX-Browns, also not that common
MX-Whites(Milkies) -> these are a stiffer versions of the MX-Browns also, but with a slight audible click, these are my personal favorites (but keep in mind I'm not a gamer).
Edited by Original Sin - 2/17/13 at 4:23pm
post #33 of 53
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Originally Posted by adridu59 View Post

It's about the same size as the D14 and only has one fan, which is 140mm and very quiet.

See, it's quieter than the Phanteks TC14PE:
http://www.xbitlabs.com/articles/coolers/display/silverstone-heligon-he01_6.html#sect0


Let's look at the graphs: at 1200rpm the SPL is virtually identical, and the Phanteks performs 6-7°C degrees better. Also using the same fans it's slightly better.
http://www.xbitlabs.com/images/coolers/silverstone-heligon-he01/zdiagrt-45-xbt.png

by all accounts the Phanteks is the best air cooler outthere as far as noise/performance goes.
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post #34 of 53
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Originally Posted by Elohim View Post

Let's look at the graphs: at 1200rpm the SPL is virtually identical, and the Phanteks performs 6-7°C degrees better. Also using the same fans it's slightly better.
http://www.xbitlabs.com/images/coolers/silverstone-heligon-he01/zdiagrt-45-xbt.png

by all accounts the Phanteks is the best air cooler outthere as far as noise/performance goes.
1st. It's not available.
2nd. It's generally more expensive (so much so that it destroys its value proposition when compared with various high ends from Prolimatech, Thermalright, Noctua or the Heligon debated here).
3rd. It's considerably larger and thus defies the purpose of this choice to begin with (accommodating the RAM modules).
post #35 of 53
1. Sorry for being OT, but i was mostly commenting on the Statement that the Heligon Stock fan is "very quiet" in absolute terms or compared to the Phanteks (or the Noctua wich is even quieter than the Phanteks in dba/rpm)...
2. depends on where you buy it i guess, it's about 10% more expensive over here wich would be worth it imo.
3. See 1.

4. Either way the HE-01 is not a bad choice, but got Mixed Reviews, so btt pls.
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post #36 of 53
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That's not a good way to pick a keyboard.

To sum it up really fast.
There are 4 types of Cherry MX switches commonly found on mechanical keyboards, a few other types that are less common, I'll list them above with short descriptions..

MX-Blacks -> Linear, stiff switches, if you're coming from the typical rubber dome keyboard, these will stress your fingers. There's no tactile bump present, no audible click either.
MX-Reds -> Linear switches also, they're exactly like the MX-Blacks only far less stiff, and just like the MX-Blacks, they're not that good for typing, can be really good for gaming though (depending on what you play, still a question of preference though)
MX-Blues -> tactile and clickie switches, there's a pronounced tactile bump close to the actuation point and clear audible click, they're middle ground in terms of stiffness when compared to the Reds or Blacks, they're very nice for typing, they're not that good for gaming though.
MX-Browns -> These are tactile, non clickie switches, there's a nice tactile bump close to the actuation point but no audible click, these are slightly stiffer than the Reds and slightly softer than the Blues, these are very nice middle ground switches that will work well in both gaming and typing for most people, and it's what I'd suggest you go for if this is your first mechanical keyboard.

MX-Greens -> far less common than the 4 types listed above, these are stiffer versions of the MX-Blues
MX-Grays -> these are even stiffer versions of the MX-Blacks, far less common also
MX-Clears -> these are stiffer versions of the MX-Browns, also not that common
MX-Whites(Milkies) -> these are a stiffer versions of the MX-Browns also, but with a slight audible click, these are my personal favorites (but keep in mind I'm not a gamer).

Here is a cherry brown: http://www.pccasegear.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=113_1361&products_id=21035 <<< (comes in red too)

what do you think of that keyboard?
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post #37 of 53
Ducky keyboards are solid, personally I prefer tenkeyless boards though, and I'm not very fond of LED backlit boards either.
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As already stated by Original Sin, I would recommend that you wait till you buy the computer then if you're happy with the audio then stick with the on board+ ad700's and if you aren't happy and can scrounge a bit more money get the Xonar STX as it is an amazing card awesome reviews and it sounds incredible. Well worth the price if you feel you need one ! smile.gif
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post #39 of 53
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As already stated by Original Sin, I would recommend that you wait till you buy the computer then if you're happy with the audio then stick with the on board+ ad700's and if you aren't happy and can scrounge a bit more money get the Xonar STX as it is an amazing card awesome reviews and it sounds incredible. Well worth the price if you feel you need one !

Alright thanks for that. Here is the build again:

http://www.pccasegear.com/index.php?main_page=wish_lists&wlcId=134673&action=wish_lists

any more suggestions?

It feels like I have forgotten something important, have I?
Edited by BrighteousPony - 2/18/13 at 4:11am
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post #40 of 53
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For some reason you're assuming I don't know what I'm talking about. smile.gif
I read that review, it's irrelevant... it looks like a friendly piece. That's not to say the UD3H is in any way a bad board (especially given its price), but my references lie elsewhere... like HWBot for example. wink.gif

Man, the Z77X-UD3H holds a WR and in that specific case who cares that the Maximus boards got a few MHz more under LN2.

Also, talking about HWBot:
http://hwbot.org/news/7577_seeing_is_believing_gigabyte_is_first_with_validated_7_032_ghz_cpu_clock_world_record_on_ivy_bridge

7.032 GHz under LN2. My point is simple as that: BrighteousPony, are you willing to go higher than this in frequency?

BTW, highest BCLK is 111 MHz:
http://hwbot.org/hardware/motherboard/ga-z77x-ud3h/
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