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Hey there fellow OCN members, my name is MrMechraven and over the past couple of days i have been running a overclocking experiment using the FX-8350 CPU. This experiment came about from a post made by fellow enthusiast ComputerRestore on the "[OFFICIAL] FX-8320/FX-8350 Vishera Owners Club" thread.

So what is this idea/experiment ??

The post in question > http://www.overclock.net/t/1318995/official-fx-8320-fx-8350-vishera-owners-club/8560_20
The idea in a nutshell

To run a lower CPU/NB Frequency & Voltage *( Matched to Memory speed in this case) *, in order to achieve a higher CPU overclock whilst using less CPU VCore and subsequently lower temperatures.

As overclockers it is in our nature to test , experiment , and push our hardware to its limits in various ways to achieve the ultimate goal, maximum Speed/Performance. This idea/experiment has been done purely in the interest of knowledge and to further help understand how some of the process's work within the current gen Piledriver cpu. Hopefully some of this knowledge will benefit you in your journey's to push the limits of your own goals and maybe learn something.

I am no expert in overclocking or cpu design, but with some guidance and help from ComputerRestore i have run a series of tests at various clockspeeds with varying results. Whilst running these tests certain settings remained the same throughout whilst two core settings were changed ie the CPU/NB Frequency & Voltage.

Setup & Testing

Through each stage of testing the same stress test was applied throughout and all programs used were run exactly the same way without otimisation or manipulation. No changes were made to optimise the OS *( Windows 7 Professional 64bit ) in anyway whatsoever. No hidden agenda, apps or programs to manipulate results. The system used was my own personal system ( see sig rig ) and one that represents a fairly mid range average system without any special optimisation.


Hardware , Settings & Tests

CPU = AMD FX-8350 ~ Batch 1234 ~ VID 1.325v ( i believe)

COOLING = H100 x 4 120mm Fans in Push/Pull MAX Fan setting

RAM = Kingston Genesis HyperX 1600Mhz DDR3 @ 9-9-9-27 1.65v

MOTHERBOARD = Asus Sabertooth 990FX Revision 1.0 BIOS 1604

GPU = EVGA GTX680 2Gb Superclocked @ Stock

PSU = Antec HCG 750W

ROOM Ambient Temperature = 17-21c


Motherboard BIOS Settings that stayed universal throughout tests


HT Speed = 2200Mhz ( Auto by default )
CPU LLC = Ultra High
NB LLC = High
CPU Current capability = 120%
NB Current capability = 120%
Phase Power = Standard ( Optimised, Extreme,or manual avaliable )

Motherboard BIOS Settings that changed throughout tests

CPU Core Voltage manual adjustments = 1.32v to 1.50v
CPU Multiplier OVERCLOCK ONLY/ NO FSB ADJUSTMENT

CPU/NB Frequency 1600Mhz @ 1.05v
CPU/NB Frequency 2200Mhz @ 1.18v ( Auto by Default )


Stress & tests used

IBT AVX x 10 Runs @ Standard 1Gb Ram Used
IBT AVX x 10 Runs @ Very High 4096MB Ram Used ( GFlops Averaged from these results )

WPrime 32M x 3 = Best result used

Cinbench MultiThreaded x 3 = Best result used

3D Mark 11 Basic ( free edition ) x 1 Run = CPU Physics Score used only !


So onwards to the results.....

First up is IBT AVX results, though there are some differences all results shown are from runs that passed as stable according to the IBT Program.




Next we look at WPrime 32M and some results differ but this can be put down to margin of error or dependent on what the OS is running in the background.



Next up, Cinebench MultiThreaded test. A common bench run on the FX to show its render power.



Final test , but this time using both the cpu & gpu in fairly equal measure. The CPU Physics score was recorded only !!



Temperatures & Voltages were recorded with both AIDA 64 & Coretemp.





Taking a look at the final graph which shows the difference in CPU VCore voltages between the two CPU/NB settings( 1600Mhz-2200Mhz). Input was in mV showing a more accurate plot on the graph.



My thoughts / Brief conclusion

Looking through the results i can see that temps did drop while using a lower CPU/NB Frequency & voltage. Furthermore the cpu required less voltage ( thus producing lower temps also ) to obtain the same frequency and remain stable. With this reduction in temperature and CPU/NB Freq/Voltage, comes a small trade off, and that is a small loss of performance in some apps & programs. The differences in some programs are not huge and the trade off between speed v voltage v temp could be one that is easier to live with.

Im not going to go into any long drawn conclusions, i will leave this information here for you all to digest and discuss. I undertook this experiment of my own free will in order to help answer ComputerRestores Question, and i feel it has done this to some degree. Hopefully this information will prove useful to some of you, and if not then there is nothing lost by reading it.

If you have questions i am sure either ComputerRestore or myself will be able to answer them where possible.

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Nicely done!
I have been wondering why my rig seems to generally run cooler than others. While it's possible that it is just a characteristic of this individual chip, most have been scaling very similarly as far as temps, speeds and voltages. The fact that my sample has a very low VID runs contrary to that assumption. So I've been thinking it's been due to LLC on other boards pushing more V-core, but I have also noticed that cpu-nb voltage on mine is low by default. Your experiment has given me another possibility to consider.
Thanks for all your efforts!
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Nice... you should try lowering the CPU/Nb voltage and keep the speed @ 2200. I was able to run it @ 1.1250V(LLC extreme), stock is 1.16250V. Didn't try it with lower though
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I really think you can add to this by using Turbo to your advantage. against a thermal or heat wall, or even a voltage wall possibly. This would mean either using voltage offset or AOD possibly

like example you all core stable at 4.5ghz at 1.45 voltage but your hitting 62C

I would then test 4 module 4 cores to see if the temperature is still as high as 62C

if not I would then OC each core to higher till I high that 62C again, of course you'll have stability test each core in the module to make sure it stable.

last I would find out how hot a single module gets with one core or both cores loaded and check temperatures again.
You'd still have to go threw modules and cores slowly to check for stability

If it's below 62C I would OC slightly higher again until I hit that same temperature again

Thus we;d end up with a chip that would never need to go over 62C and give us better performance then just an all 8 core OC.
    
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Nice... you should try lowering the CPU/Nb voltage and keep the speed @ 2200. I was able to run it @ 1.1250V(LLC extreme), stock is 1.16250V. Didn't try it with lower though
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In the interests of testing i kept the CPU/NB voltage the same throughout, but in personal use should i require to go higher than my 4.5Ghz 24/7 use i will consider it. thumb.gif
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@ Mr-Mechraven

Very nice work/testing. +1

The things I find most interesting:
- more linear temperature scaling over 4.6Ghz/less required CPU voltage
- despite there being an obvious small memory bottleneck at lower CPU speeds with the reduced CPU/NB, if the same trend continues then at higher CPU speeds there may be no difference or it may actually give better memory usage. (not sure if it's due to memory bandwidth reaching it's max at ~4.9-5.0Ghz using 1600Mhz either)
- the drop in temperatures is very nice, considering the small % of performance loss in "some tasks"
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- how much would Crossfire or SLI be effected
- would there be any benefit in further "tweaking" (i.e. 1866Mhz CPU/NB @ 1.05v - or whatever is needed for stability - paired with 1866Mhz Ram, would this have similar benefits without the bottleneck)
- I've seen where there is almost no difference between 1600Mhz and 2133Mhz Ram running the CPU 4.8-5.0Ghz - does this exist at a lower CPU speed? ~4.2Ghz, and if not, then what causes the bandwidth limitation at higher overclocks?
A little background as to the reason behind the tesing



This is the overclock potential of the FX 8350 I owned (For each Module). I know there are almost always differences in overclock potential of CPU's, but what is strange is that over the two 8350's and one 8150 I've owned - cores 7+8 are always the first to fail. Many may notice that this is the case when running stability tests.

Looking at the Bulldozer CPU die, there are two Modules/L3 Cache that are farther away from the IMC.



I suspect that those are the lowest performing Modules - although I have no idea how the Modules are labeled, so am unable to prove this.
The idea behind running a slower CPU/NB and lower voltage was to reduce the strain on the IMC in order to get a higher overclock with lower temperatures and voltage. I don't think there is an issue with the CPU Cores themselves, but rather more of a strain on those pathways to L3 Cache that create extra heat and with the heat, a higher voltage requirement. - this is purely a hunch, and thus the reason for the testing.
Edited by ComputerRestore - 2/17/13 at 7:47pm
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Interesting read.. i would like to see further tests as CSS and Computer restore have talked about.. this is changing my perspective on my own OC
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Very interesting, guys. thumb.gif
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Very cool, I'm going to test with my 8320 when I get the chance. I'll post the results.
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Interesting, +rep
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