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Originally Posted by Cloudfire777 View Post

42% between 6970 and 7970
http://tpucdn.com/reviews/Powercolor/HD_7990_Devil_13/images/perfrel.gif

Your chart include low resolutions, which might not accurately represent the performance difference between the two at high resolutions.
Warning: Spoiler! (Click to show)

At 2560x1600
6970 to 7970 = 50%
6970 to 7970GE = 62.5%

When both are overclocked the difference will be higher than 50%. Cayman doesn't overclock so well.
Edited by HeadlessKnight - 2/18/13 at 1:01pm
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post #402 of 910
Take a look at this review. Both sides are right. Some games, the 6970 is only around ~40% behind, whereas some games it's closer to 70%.

EDIT: This thread is about Titan, though, so let's try not to trial off too much thumb.gif
post #403 of 910
At any rate, it would be nice to see a GPU twice the size of a 680 be able to gain more than 30% in performance. But as Murlocke said that is just one game and a dubious source at best. The full reviews will answer all these questions hopefully soon...
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Originally Posted by HeadlessKnight View Post

Your chart include low resolutions, which might not accurately represent the performance difference between the two at high resolutions.
Warning: Spoiler! (Click to show)

At 2560x1600
6970 to 7970 = 50%
6970 to 7970GE = 62.5%

When both are overclocked the difference will be higher than 50%. Cayman don't overclock so well.

Majin said:
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Whatever, we saw almost 100% gains at 1080p from a 6970 to a 7970 just last year. Going from GK104 to GK110, a chip nearly twice the size, ought to give better performance gains than 30% at 1080p I would think...

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Uh, 6970 to 7970? Nope, way more than 35%...

The 1050p result says:
42% between 6970 and 7970. 50% between 6970 and 7970GHz
http://tpucdn.com/reviews/Powercolor/HD_7990_Devil_13/images/perfrel_1680.gif

Now continue with the Titan discussions. I really don`t care smile.gif
post #405 of 910
Is anyone else disturbed by nVidia's recent trend of charging exorbitant amounts for GPUs with disabled units? First it was the crippled GTX 480 with only 480 stream processors enabled out of 512, and now it's this $900 piece of garbage. At that price, I want all 2880 shaders!
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Why not? I still prefer my 55" HX929 (1080p over 55" at 6 1/2 feet) over my 27" Samsung 970D (1440p over 27" at less than 2 feet). This monitor is considered by many to be the best 1440p on the market. I did some pretty serious comparisons between them this weekend. Simply put, no IPS/PLS panel seems to be able to beat the contrast ratio my HX929 offers. Not even close. Local dimming is amazing, and no monitors seems to have it. The black levels on every IPS/PLS panel i've seen seems entirely gray compared to my HX929. Every IPS/PLS seems to have noticeable backlight bleeding too...

Maybe it's not fair to compare a $3000 TV, to a $1000 monitor.. but I have a very hard time finding something I prefer more. I will probably try the U3014 when it releases, but i'm almost positive i'll return it and go back to my HX929.

1080p for life?

I'm pretty sure (99%) that most high end TVs use VA panels instead of IPS because they have significantly lower black levels, which in turn provides much better contrast ratios. I haven't seen any 1440/1600 VA monitors, but I believe they're on their way.
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I completely agree, but the comparison product (a 680 or 690) CAME OUT A YEAR AGO, which is a typical GPU generation to generation gap!

If they all launched around the same time then I think the premium price is justified. By your example, any company who releases a product faster than the previous gen should do so at a premium price? That's not how it works either...

It's architecture, not time, that defines a GPU generation. GK110 is not a new generation; it's based on the same Kepler architecture as GK104 used in the GTX 680.
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There will always be a premium for added vram. Just look at the 200-250 price jump the Sapphire 7970gb is of the reference 3gb 7970.

http://www.amazon.com/Sapphire-DL-DVI-I-SL-DVI-D-PCI-Express-11197-05-40G/dp/B0098HW0H2/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1361215847&sr=8-1&keywords=sapphire+7970+6gb

I'm hoping that one of the OEMs release a 3GB variant at a substantially lower price.
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Agreed I just want 1440 with 120 Hz. Though I don't think the current DVI cables can support that much information

That's what DisplayPort is for and is the replacement for DVI.
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You guys are not seeing this from Nvidia`s standpoint:

GTX 580 = Played the majority of games @ 1080 p just fine. Struggled with some @ 1600p etc.
GTX 680 = Same as GTX 580 on todays games

Those two GPUs cost the same. Therefor Nvidia is able to offer you the same performance for the same amount of money.
Why should they offer you a hardcore GPU for the same price?

Blame the lack of demanding games instead of Nvidia. They just make whatever the market want and price them accordingly
Agreed. I actually see Titan as 50% over 680 in average thumb.gif

You seem to forget that the GTX 680 has abysmal FP64 performance compared to the GTX 580. nVidia sold a "hardcore" GPU last generation for $500. Why is it that this time, they're charging the same amount for the butchered mid range GPU, and $900 for the true high end GPU?
     
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You seem to forget that the GTX 680 has abysmal FP64 performance compared to the GTX 580. nVidia sold a "hardcore" GPU last generation for $500. Why is it that this time, they're charging the same amount for the butchered mid range GPU, and $900 for the true high end GPU?

Its one group that should feel left out: Its the GPGPU gang. I agree here, but AMD have not abandoned them. Cheaper and better GPUs with GPGPU there thumb.gif

If GTX 580 was a hardcore GPU back then, then so is the GTX 680 since they play games equally good in their respective time periods. What I meant about hardcore GPU is totally butchering the FPS charts on the games avilable. I reckon you refer hardcore as "the best" but not nescessarily slaying the games. smile.gif

We are drowned with multiplat games, poorly executed may I also add. And there isn`t many games that chokes GTX 680 and 7970. Which is why I`m blaming the game industry for doing multiplat games in the name of profit and not pressuring Nvidia nor the market to push out better GPUs that people really need. As you can see from the Titan threads, many are satisfied with their 7970/680 which speaks volumes

That is my opinion
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Can't find it on EVGA's website. Could this be a potential Trojan? I also get a don't open unsafe warning in Chrome when donwloading from this site.
Edited by gladiator7 - 2/18/13 at 1:16pm
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Well, it makes sense that in order to really make Titan shine, you'd need to use it in situations where GK104's smaller memory bus doesn't cut it. That's where the biggest gains are to be had. I agree with you however that even in situations where the 256bit bus of GK104 isn't hindering its performance, Titan should be able to gain more than 30% over a 680 considering the extra cuda cores, ROPs etc. It'd be disappointing otherwise.
Here's the thing though, GK104 has a lot more bandwidth per SMX than GK110, if the GK104 was bandwidth-starved the GK110 will be even more so.
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I'm basing my post off this graph which shows a significant performance increase on higher resolutions over a 7970. In some cases 55-60%..

Am I missing something, where do you see 55-60% increase?
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Here comes the math again.

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