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SO, Ive been using MX518 for 7 years I think and iam thinking of getting a new one (maybe). I've been checking out the Steelseries Sensei and Razer Deathadder. Sensei is a laser mouse while deathadder is optical. I want the mouse for SC2 gaming, currently I use 1100 DPI.

From what I've understood laser mouses can bring acceleration issues, quote related
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On most softpads like the steelseries qck, puretrak talent it have up to 4-5% inconsistent positive acceleration depending on how fast you move so you need to make sure you can live with that.

I have a softpad, razer golatihus and that means ill get this error with this mouse.. right?

Razer Deathadder on the other hand is optical, and I have not found any negative things about this. But there must be negative things, or else noone would make laser mouses at all. So what are the negatives with optical?

General + and - with both mouses or if u think another mouse is better tell me
post #2 of 15
I've generally read the same, that lasers can exhibit some accel issues but I have personally not used one so I could not comment more than that I'm afraid.

I have the new DA 2013 and haven't experienced any issues what so ever but I know some others did (you may want to look that up, but I believe it may have been addressed with a firmware update?). I've always used DA's so they're my weapon of choice right now. I'm sure some others will chime in with some more factual information.

Hope I helped though!

Crooks.
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post #3 of 15
I have really liked my laser. Only lately has it given me a couple issues with recognizing clicks, but I think it was dead batteries. My acceleration has been good as far as I can tell. I use it to drag stuff very quickly across 4 monitors and it does great for me.
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post #4 of 15
The technology in it self does not make a good or bad mouse. There are some good lasers and there are some good opticals (and bad ones of both as well). It used to be that optical mouses where limited to lower DPI's but with opticals pushing 4000dpi its a moot point now days. In most cases even just 1800dpi is a more then enough resolution.

Personally when I went form razer latches 4000dpi laser to a razer DeathAdder 3500dpi optical I found I much preferred the death adder as IMO it tracked much better and had less jitter on lift off/ touche down.

That's not to say a laser can't be better then the Death adder. It really has to be reviewed on a case by case basis.
    
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post #5 of 15
I used to have a Deathadder and it was a good performing mouse on all the surfaces I've had. Sometimes the mouse buttons can feel a little vague or be too sensitive and the lift off is a bit high if you're one to lift the mouse constantly but for SC2 I doubt it.

I have used the SS Diablo III mouse on my Goliathus with no problems in negative accel. and the positive accel is, to me, hardly noticeable. In fact this mouse would have been a keeper had I gotten used to the shape of the mouse because everything else worked great, especially the feedback of the main mouse buttons.
post #6 of 15
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Well I've been looking on new mouses for a day and it seems like the only DPI settings on the Deathadder are preset at 450, 900, 1800 and 3500. Is this true? Iam currently using mx518 custom DPI at 1100.

If it's true that u cant customize your DPI on this mouse, why the hell not?
post #7 of 15
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Originally Posted by spirates View Post

Well I've been looking on new mouses for a day and it seems like the only DPI settings on the Deathadder are preset at 450, 900, 1800 and 3500. Is this true? Iam currently using mx518 custom DPI at 1100.

If it's true that u cant customize your DPI on this mouse, why the hell not?

u can via on the "on the fly sensitivity" feature
but yes it only has those predefined dpi steps on the deathadder 3.5G legacy driver
post #8 of 15
Unfortunately, the quote is inaccurate.

Laser sensors, and specifically the most popular laser sensors like the Avago ADNS 9500 suffer from negative acceleration on most cloth pads (like the Steelseries Qck). This is not something subtle, but quite noticable. It will be more noticable by low sensitivity gamers who do frequent large sweeps with their mouse, which really exposes the problem. The problem is made worse because the acceleration is inconsistent, and as a result you can not really ever get used to it. This is a problem I have been able to (easily) recreate.

The positive acceleration is not as obvious. People say the sensor has slight positive acceleration on hard pads. But it is so small that it is hard to recreate with a simple test. However, it is a well-established issue of the sensor and some people have tested it extensively.

So what are the advantages of laser sensors? There are a few. First of all, the new laser sensors allow for a higher DPI than any optical sensor available. You do have to wonder though, who really needs 8.200 DPI. Especially when the top players in the world in games like Counter Strike: Global Offensive use something closer to 800 Dpi, and this extreme high DPI is not really used by anyone. It makes you suspect that it is just a way to put even bigger numbers on the box, similar to 1:1000.000.000 " dynamic contrast" on monitors .

The second advantage is that they can have a higher malfunction speed. This means that you can move the mouse faster while the sensor keeps tracking without skipping etc. However, the maximum tracking speed of the better optical mice is already enough for even low sensitivity gamers. And if you are a low sensitivity gamer (who tend to do longer and faster sweeps) then laser sensors are not as interesting anyway since previously mentioned inconsistencies in sensor performance are amplified.

Another real advantage is that manufacturers use more laser sensors than optical sensors in newer mice. Going for a laser sensor therefore gives you a lot more different mice to choose from, though you are also often forced to use a hard pad.

Then what are the advantages of optical sensors? There are a few. This is not so much about the technology of the sensor, but more about the way the sensors that are out there behave. There are optical sensors available that have no acceleration problems. Like the ADNS 3090 (though annoyingly, not every 3090 in every mouse, since manufacturers have their own versions), the S3668, S3888 and 3095 in mice like the G400, WMO 1.1, Deathadder 3G& 3.5G some of the Zowie mice etc. This is important to a lot of people, since the accuracy and reliability of the sensor is often the reason why people will get a gaming mouse. Typically people who play arena twitch shooters for example, will go for these kind of mice. People who emphasize other features, such as number of buttons available, will get mice with inferior sensors since this matters less to them (for example, the Razer Naga is very popular, but uses the Philips Twin Eye, which most FPS gamers will avoid).

Another advantage is that optical sensors have less tracking issues. Which means that they can typically be used on different types of surfaces. However, this does not mean that all optical sensors track well on anything. Some, for example, dont track as well on multi-colored surfaces etc. It is always best to do a little research on the specific mouse and sensor you are going for.

There is also the issue of prediction. Not everyone is really bothered by it while some wont even consider a mouse with prediction. There exist both laser and optical sensors with and without prediction, and newer sensors more often that not eliminate prediction. This does not really affect the whole laser vs optical thing, but I thought that maybe I should mention it.

Generally, what it comes down to for me is what kind fo features do you want in a gaming mouse, which is probably dependent on the type of games you play. It is generally hard to recommend laser over optical based on the quality of the sensor alone. But a mouse can have many other features you may care about (like shape etc.) that can tip the scales.
Edited by kazuyamishima - 2/20/13 at 9:59am
post #9 of 15
Optical is alot better from my experience, I've never had any issues with optical mice except some having too high lift off distance for my taste. The one laser mouse I've owned, HP voodoo DNA, did not perform well at all. A few days ago I tried my brothers Logitech G9 laser and it couldn't keep up with the fast swipes I do in FPS games on a QPAD CT cloth pad.
Edited by Ginyan - 2/20/13 at 10:00am
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Originally Posted by kazuyamishima View Post

Unfortunately, the quote is inaccurate.

Laser sensors, and specifically the most popular laser sensors like the Avago ADNS 9500 suffer from negative acceleration on most cloth pads (like the Steelseries Qck). This is not something subtle, but quite noticable. It will be more noticable by low sensitivity gamers who do frequent large sweeps with their mouse, which really exposes the problem. The problem is made worse because the acceleration is inconsistent, and as a result you can not really ever get used to it. This is a problem I have been able to (easily) recreate.

The positive acceleration is not as obvious. People say the sensor has slight positive acceleration on hard pads. But it is so small that it is hard to recreate with a simple test. However, it is a well-established issue of the sensor and some people have tested it extensively.

The previous negative acceleration issue you're referring to has been corrected. At least when referring to newer variations of mice. (Eg: Sensei.. etc..) While surfacing is important, I'm positive many newer mice using these sensors will do exceptionally well on a black SS Qck.

And I personally disagree with "not being able to get used to it". While I don't discredit the issue, it isn't severe enough to deem unusable. From a market standpoint, the specific 9500 and 9800 models cover a larger audience, offer an ample DPI range that is select-able in steps of 50/90/100/200, and technically process imaging at a superior framerate. (Could translate to a different "feel", though this is the case with multiple architectures be it laser or optical.)

Of course it's also very understandable that you as well as others want linear performance. The issue these days is more or less a combination of pricing, outdated, but updated sensor tech (eg. A3090), and a very limited choice from a R&D aspect.

Competition is needed, but isn't profitable enough to exist.
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