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2/19/13 at 12:42am
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Originally Posted by Pantsu View Post

Perf/$ hasn't really improved in years.

...Huh?

At launch, the 7970 was $550, roughly the same price as the 3gb 580s were selling for, while offering substantially higher performance, which has since increased drastically due to drivers, while price has also dropped substantially. The 7950 now costs the same or less than what the 6970 cost at the 79xx release, while also being far, far faster. Across the board, both AMD and nVidia GPUs offer drastic improvements in price/performance.

Back in early 2012, things weren't so nice; but things are very different now with the price drops over the last year.
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post #22 of 103
2/19/13 at 12:43am
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You can get a limited edition 900 dollar Nvidia GPU. Or you can get 3 7950s and go to red lobster.

They aren't that freaking worried.
The problem is there are many issues with 3-way CF and 3-way SLI. Some games just dont like more than 2 cards. Some will have the same performance as 2 cards. Some 3-way will perform even worse than 2-way.
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2/19/13 at 12:47am
the quote that interested me the most was
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Tomb Raider will ship with a new feature we've been working on with them.

new form of anti aliasing perhaps?
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2/19/13 at 12:56am
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the quote that interested me the most was
new form of anti aliasing perhaps?

Or maybe AMD has decided to start giving nVIDIA their kicks back, and they are prividing brutal physics support with OpenCL.

Man can dream right?

And about the 'concerns'.

I'll say it again. This is an extremely limited run card. NVidia wants to get the most chips to the Tesla line, as those come with a 2.5X price markup on them.

Sure the performance is astonishing, but here in Spain you can buy (!!!) 3x 3GB 7950s GHz Edition AND still have 150€ left for that price for something else (like a heftier PSU, p.ex tongue.gif), and that will give such a kick in the nuts to the Titan that NVidia will have to look for them in Alpha Centauri.

This card has the performance, but price/performance wise, it is a disgrace. Dual GPU single PCB solutions provide a far better value than this.


That doesn't neglect the fact that the performance on itself is quite astonishing for a single die card, other things (like die efficiency) left aside.
Edited by Artikbot - 2/19/13 at 1:02am
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2/19/13 at 1:01am
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Originally Posted by Artikbot View Post

Or maybe AMD has decided to start giving nVIDIA their kicks back, and they are prividing brutal physics support with OpenCL.

Man can dream right?
PhysX is overrated. I rather not have useless, performance degrading gimmicks.
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post #26 of 103
2/19/13 at 1:14am
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...Huh?

At launch, the 7970 was $550, roughly the same price as the 3gb 580s were selling for, while offering substantially higher performance, which has since increased drastically due to drivers, while price has also dropped substantially. The 7950 now costs the same or less than what the 6970 cost at the 79xx release, while also being far, far faster. Across the board, both AMD and nVidia GPUs offer drastic improvements in price/performance.

Back in early 2012, things weren't so nice; but things are very different now with the price drops over the last year.

I'm not so sure. I still run a 5870, a card that will see it's 4th birthday this year. The card is still quite powerful at my resolution, performance is largely about the same as the 7870, which is a $250 card now. At launch, the 5870 was a $350 card iirc; 3 and half years has only shaved ~$100 off the performance of a 5870.

That's really not very impressive, had you asked me in 09 then I'd of assumed that 5870 level performance would of easily reached the $100 mark by now, yet we're no where near that.

In other words, just because the 7970 and 580 were a terrible value at launch, and have since come down to decent prices, performance/dollar really hasn't improved in the sort of ways many of us would of hoped and expected.
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2/19/13 at 1:18am
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...Huh?

At launch, the 7970 was $550, roughly the same price as the 3gb 580s were selling for, while offering substantially higher performance, which has since increased drastically due to drivers, while price has also dropped substantially. The 7950 now costs the same or less than what the 6970 cost at the 79xx release, while also being far, far faster. Across the board, both AMD and nVidia GPUs offer drastic improvements in price/performance.

Back in early 2012, things weren't so nice; but things are very different now with the price drops over the last year.

True it's gotten better lately, though for example the 100$ price bracket hasn't seen much in the way of improvement since the 5770. And at the same time the new gens seem to come with ever increasing price tags for high end. Now Titan releases with a 999$ price tag, a chip that's no different from what Nvidia used to release for half the price.
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2/19/13 at 1:22am
Ok, I believe I learned zero from that article. Marketing fluff.
Edited by Newbie2009 - 2/19/13 at 1:27am
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2/19/13 at 1:27am
I feel like I need a shower after reading that. The slime is thick.

I've historically tried to give money to AMD because they are less bad culturally than the competition, but after reading the transcript I'm not sure if that effort will continue.
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2/19/13 at 1:28am
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I'm not so sure. I still run a 5870, a card that will see it's 4th birthday this year. The card is still quite powerful at my resolution, performance is largely about the same as the 7870, which is a $250 card now. At launch, the 5870 was a $350 card iirc; 3 and half years has only shaved ~$100 off the performance of a 5870.

That's really not very impressive, had you asked me in 09 then I'd of assumed that 5870 level performance would of easily reached the $100 mark by now, yet we're no where near that.

In other words, just because the 7970 and 580 were a terrible value at launch, and have since come down to decent prices, performance/dollar really hasn't improved in the sort of ways many of us would of hoped and expected.
That's great you can keep a card that long, but the 5870 is nowhere near a 7870. The 7870 is 30% up to @ 80% faster than a 5870(depending on game) And I got my 7870 for $200 - a $50 free game I got with it= $150 in total. http://www.anandtech.com/bench/Product/511?vs=548
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