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what a simple minded statement... did you even read what I posted? rolleyes.gif

I most certainly did not. I made my reply after reading some replies on the very first page not realizing that you were the focal point of the whole thread.

But my statement stands, OCN is not a playground for people to whine about price over and over and over and over again.

So whether you believe that applies to your personal belief or not, it doesn't matter to me.
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I have to say it's disappointing to see amd taking a step back here with development. I am no fan boy of either GPU company, just price for performance. Hopefully both companies next gen GPUs will be out early q4.

This but yeah since AMD have cornered the new gen gaming console graphics chip / APU market, their account books would be healthy for a while as will Nvidia's having cornered the tablet graphics chip / APU market and to a slightly lesser extent, the notebook graphics chip market.
As most should realise, the gamer graphics card market is quite small (and the super high end cards even more so) for both these companies.

Used both Nvidia and AMD / ATI in the past, I always go with best performance for my cash at the time.
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I see your point but this titan is estimated to cost 1K... while offering the same performance you were talking about in your post. It looks like the titan will offer the same perfomance jump you get going from a 6950 to a 7950 for $1000 but that's not what i have a problem with.

My issue is the timing more than the price. If the titan was released 2-3 months after the GTX680 launched it could have justified it's premium much more than it does launching almost a year after and delivering the performance you could reasonable expect from a GTX780 (give or take 10%) while costing way more than a GTX780 would.

But the titan isn't released yet so we shall see. I'm basing my predictions off the charts we saw come out yesterday (which could very well turn out to be fake and the titan could actually kick some major ass.

Sadly people get the misconception that i am against enthusiast hardware because of this opinion when i have no problem with the GTX690 and 7990. they cost about twice as much as Nvidia/AMD flagship single GPUs while performing close to twice as well (when scaling works) and they release with in afew months of the flagship launch

I choose to see it as a "inbetween/showoff" release, mostly about marketing than actual sales, comparable to the 9x seriers from both manufacturers. It doesn't need to make any economic sense.
Nonetheless it's a stupid buy much like Homers Hovercar. It's a first generation powerhouse insanity card. Planting a flag on top of the mountain.
 
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If it was selling for $450 you would have a valid point. At $900 you could get 2 7950's that would destroy it.

Granted i do wish the titan was selling for ~$500, i think it would cause some massive waves in the market and we would all benefit.

edit: seems your comment was pretty popular lol

You can't really compare a super strong 1 GPU card vs CF or SLI setups.

A single card, if done right, will have no micro-stuttering, no compatability issues when new games comes out, no 4 slot spaces, not forcing PCIE lanes to go to X8 instead of X16, not every motherboard out there has a space for 3 GPUs or 4.

A single very strong card is a great thing.
And the fact that its a single GPU and not a double GPU card, means that two of those, even at their price, will destroy everything a normal user will generally have.

According to nvidia, 3 of the titans can be almost twice as powerful as 2x690s at surround, where they are mostly being for (6GB memory remember?). So two will have more than enough to be amazingly good for every game in any near future unless some very new technology comes out.


High end cards, even the 680 or the 7970 ghz, can be out-shined by a two less costy cards.
Why buy a 7970 when you can buy two 7870 if you are using a single monitor?
Why buy a 680 when you can buy two 660 TIs?
Why? Becayse a single card takes less space, less power, and does the job better.

A top super-high-end card is there to show off. Not to buy by the budget...
Same with the ARES II mentioned. Its not for everyone.


Also another note to drive the nvidia vs amd "war", amd had yet to find a solution (or care for) for CF to work in windowed mode. For me this is one of the "break or make" points in choosing a GPU in the last few years. I wonder what is taking them so long to fix it? Imagine buying the ARES II and realized you bought an over-priced 7970 ghz edition because only one GPU is working in windowed.
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I don't know where to post this, however as the marketting attempt is getting more serious at AMD, I would suggest they pay a royalty to Activision, the current owners of Factor 5, and regenerate a new Turrican installment.
They have the bullet physics and Turrican is just the concept that needs rejuvenation. Massive explosions, #1 platformer soundtrack the way I see it, and sky is the limit as it is a space age game. I think Turrican would work well as AMD's new mascot, its bullets piercing nvidia on slow mo.
Please send the message to Rory Read. Thank you.thumb.gif
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ill consider buying a Titan ONLY if its at a Quadro level of performance , i want a computer that i can work with AND offers the best gaming performance in just one PCIe lol

What??? Firepro beats Quadros at every price point unless the driver is CUDA only or Nvidia optimized (i.e. PTC PRoE which is replaced by Creo 2.0 which AMD trounces Nvidia in) , then the Fermi GF106 Quadro 2000 beats Tahiti W8000...

The V7900 (Cayman) competes with Quadro 4000, Quadro 5000/6000 (GF100)
The W7000 (Pitcairn GL) competes with Quadro 6000 (GF100) and the K5000 (GK104) which is 2x more expensive ; Quadro 4000 is the highest single-slot Quadro and is similar priced to W7000
* K5000 =1536 CUDA cores (basically gtx 680) & 2.1 Teraflops SP FP , while W7000 pushes 2.4 TFLOPs single precision , 152 GFLOPs double precision
* Double precision: "Quadro 5000 achieving 359 gigaflops, while the K5000 can only muster 90 gigaflops" - http://www.3dworldmag.com/2012/12/13/nvidia-quadro-k5000/
* Quadro K5000 is 173 GB/s memory bandwidth, more than Firepro W7000 's 154GB/s

V4900 (Turks) competes with Quadro 2000 (GF106) which is 2x more expensive

W5000 (Pitcairn) competes with Quadro 4000 (GF100) and doesn't need pcie power connector

* When I emailed Nvidia they said they would be replacing more low-midrange Kepler Quadros (K5000 is high end and $1700+) later in 2013... but if the GK104 GTX 660 Ti is any indication it will be a long wait

I think you mean Tesla K20?
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i don't see why people are so up in arms over AMD's current tactic in the gpu market. it seems that people are wanting them to compete with a 1000 dollar gpu...this isn't the 8800 ultra AMD can compete with nvidia's current gen of cards.

if titan gets a whole line of cards then AMD should worry until then, steady as she goes.
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40%+ at 1080p and 60% at 1440p+ over a 7970 should concern them, especially since it can be over-volted. I hear some people already have them at 1300Mhz...

A 7970 at $300 would be amazing value and would probably rain on Nvidia's parade a little.

I purchased my MSi 7970 OC for $302, and can confirm that it is hugely powerful for the money, and packed with value. I don't regret it one bit, that said, I am buying Titan.
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If it was selling for $450 you would have a valid point. At $900 you could get 2 7950's that would destroy it.

Granted i do wish the titan was selling for ~$500, i think it would cause some massive waves in the market and we would all benefit.

edit: seems your comment was pretty popular lol

Two 7950's will not destroy a Titan, according to the reviews today Titan is at least 85% of a 690, a 690 beating the Titan in "most" situations, not all. Toms hit 1.2Ghz on air, and Guru3d hit 1.17 on air, something over 40% OC on Titan.
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i don't see why people are so up in arms over AMD's current tactic in the gpu market. it seems that people are wanting them to compete with a 1000 dollar gpu...this isn't the 8800 ultra AMD can compete with nvidia's current gen of cards.

if titan gets a whole line of cards then AMD should worry until then, steady as she goes.

The only thing I could see AMD doing that would help their position would be to lower prices a little bit again, further distancing themselves from Nvidia's price. The cards have been out a year now, and they have made several price drops. If AMD can make another that firmly puts the 7970 and their other cards at a huge performance-per-dollar ratio, they will see the sales.

I am not saying $300 for a 7970, but maybe $330.
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I purchased my MSi 7970 OC for $302, and can confirm that it is hugely powerful for the money, and packed with value. I don't regret it one bit, that said, I am buying Titan.
Two 7950's will not destroy a Titan, according to the reviews today Titan is at least 85% of a 690, a 690 beating the Titan in "most" situations, not all. Toms hit 1.2Ghz on air, and Guru3d hit 1.17 on air, something over 40% OC on Titan.
The only thing I could see AMD doing that would help their position would be to lower prices a little bit again, further distancing themselves from Nvidia's price. The cards have been out a year now, and they have made several price drops. If AMD can make another that firmly puts the 7970 and their other cards at a huge performance-per-dollar ratio, they will see the sales.

I am not saying $300 for a 7970, but maybe $330.

i don't agree with this at all, AMD does not need to lower there price because the cards they sell are not marketed to the same people that are in the position to buy a Titan
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i don't agree with this at all, AMD does not need to lower there price because the cards they sell are not marketed to the same people that are in the position to buy a Titan

I am not talking about people looking at the Titan, not at all. I am talking about the people looking at the 7970 and 680 going "Which one should I buy?!", there is still a large number of people that will buy the 680 because the price "really isn't that much more". So, if AMD further distances the two price points a lot of those people who are thinking "really isn't that much more" will start thinking "That is a lot more, I am getting the 7970."

The real key is for AMD to not drop the price so low that people start to think "Well the 680 cost so much more, it must be way better!".

Again, my statement on pricing had nothing to do with Titan.
    
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