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post #61 of 103
2/19/13 at 7:47pm
Seems Intel, & Nvidia get it from a marketing standpoint. It's called the "Mac award." People will pay to have that 1%, be that 1%. Logic has nothing to do with it. Certainly not a reasonable price. I won't be satisfied until my video card can remake the Ten Commandments parting of the red sea in realtime processing in Unity3D tongue.gif

For me I've been waiting on both companies to make a dent in realtime photorealism, but unfortunately consoles and the professional workstation sector are crippling progression imo.

Sometimes a company like AMD needs this to happen. Subtly won't work, they literally have to be hit over the head, after self delusion wears off. Trust me their shareholders are going to have a fit. Perception is everything, and when the executives kids start asking for an iPhone...cough...I mean Titan things will get testy at home biggrin.gif
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2/19/13 at 7:53pm
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AMD is going to need to improve their drivers significantly. The sad part is most people don't get that they do, because they say "I never had any issues", well duh, AMD drivers suck not because of crashing, but because of frame stutter, which people have been claiming AMD cards are less smooth than nVidia's for years just no proof until now so all the benchmark non-gamers didn't care.

i really wish i could experience any of the things you say happens with AmD cards...i do

my 3 way sli-ed gtx 260s were notorious for crashing for fun...my gtx 480's not so much...hit and miss.
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2/20/13 at 9:53am
Firstly, i'd like to re-mention this: (from another thread)
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Just because i thought it is funny:
The Titan card reminds me of the Titans in Greek Mythology. They were the supreme gods at their time but then their son titans overtook them an after them the gods (lead by Zeus and his brothers, with the help of the first titans) came and took the thrown to themselves, became the supreme power and locked the titans in Tartarus.

So according to this, the "old" titans (GTX680,HD 7970) will lose to the Titan but soon the "gods" (HD8970, GTX780) would retake that thrown with some help of the old titans. (i.e. 7970 / 680 CF / SLI respectively).

and if we consider the Ares II card, by name it's already a card so it SHOULD (assumption, not a fact) get ahead of the (new) Titan.

in short, AMD doesn't need to worry because of a Titan, they have a god on their side biggrin.gif (the god of war that is)


Secondly, in my opinion if AMD wished for it to be then they would have also released a "Gaming" workstation based gpu that could also be crowned as "The Fastest Single Graphics Card In The World" for a decent period of time, but they didn't. (might sound fanboy-ish i know)
Also, i think that the price of the Titan actually adds to it's performance in a way. i.e. such an expensive GPU with Such performance must be the best thing out there. no wonder it's 1K it's Premium.

Thirdly, there might be more to the titan than it seems. Honestly, i think that there is something happening or happened in the background that caused this release. it could be as simple as to many GK110 chips not selling as Tesla so here's the Titan (but not too much hence the price), to a complicated situation like a sort of an conspiracy or espionage of either camps.

But the beauty of all of this is that no one knows what will happen tomorrow, or even in an hour, that we shouldn't be to upset with the titan or too happy. (or in anything besides GPUs. i know it's OCN and everything but i heard that there's some sunshine outside the PC Shrine Room sometimes)
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2/20/13 at 10:01am
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Firstly, i'd like to re-mention this: (from another thread)
in short, AMD doesn't need to worry because of a Titan, they have a god on their side biggrin.gif (the god of war that is)


Secondly, in my opinion if AMD wished for it to be then they would have also released a "Gaming" workstation based gpu that could also be crowned as "The Fastest Single Graphics Card In The World" for a decent period of time, but they didn't. (might sound fanboy-ish i know)
Also, i think that the price of the Titan actually adds to it's performance in a way. i.e. such an expensive GPU with Such performance must be the best thing out there. no wonder it's 1K it's Premium.

Thirdly, there might be more to the titan than it seems. Honestly, i think that there is something happening or happened in the background that caused this release. it could be as simple as to many GK110 chips not selling as Tesla so here's the Titan (but not too much hence the price), to a complicated situation like a sort of an conspiracy or espionage of either camps.

But the beauty of all of this is that no one knows what will happen tomorrow, or even in an hour, that we shouldn't be to upset with the titan or too happy. (or in anything besides GPUs. i know it's OCN and everything but i heard that there's some sunshine outside the PC Shrine Room sometimes)

My guess is that the yields of GK110 came up to a level that they could divert some of them, for various reasons, to consumer cards. Not all production runs of GK110 are going to yield Tesla quality dies, so Nvidia can toss them or use them in situations where flaws are non-issue.

I honestly don't think AMD decided to do this because of their financial situation and the fact that they just paid GlobalFoundries hundreds of millions to cut their contracted order back for 2012 and 2013. The last thing AMD was in a position to do was launch a new ultra high end chip based off their compute cards.
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2/20/13 at 10:11am
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My guess is that the yields of GK110 came up to a level that they could divert some of them, for various reasons, to consumer cards. Not all production runs of GK110 are going to yield Tesla quality dies, so Nvidia can toss them or use them in situations where flaws are non-issue.

I honestly don't think AMD decided to do this because of their financial situation and the fact that they just paid GlobalFoundries hundreds of millions to cut their contracted order back for 2012 and 2013. The last thing AMD was in a position to do was launch a new ultra high end chip based off their compute cards.

yes, i agree with you on the GF contract and it might be possible that Nvidia took this into account and released the titan to further push down AMD and make themselves seem higher than all.

with the GK110 yields i also agree, furthermore i think that the not good enough chips for tesla were just sitting there and suddenly Nvidia's executives though of a great financial idea for increasing profit in 2013. (when i think of it i might have done the same as NV)


But i find the most important part of all of this is stocks, the more a big company like NV or AMD has the better for them. So a company that has on it's forehead the staple of "Made the best single GPU on the planet" yields in more stocks.
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2/20/13 at 11:40am
Yeah, Titan is simply a pr card to Nvidia, nothing more. I doubt they'll ever use GK110 to anything else but Teslas, and the extras that don't pass the Tesla test will end up as Titans, and that's the extent of supply for Titan. Of course if AMD had something up their sleeve Nvidia would have to respond, but it looks like AMD won't have new high end until 2014, and Maxwell might be close enough for Nvidia not to resort to dropping Titan prices.

What I'm afraid is that when the new gen does come, AMD will price their cards compared to Titan, so a fast 20 nm card comparable with Titan ends up being even more expensive than what the 7970 was at launch.
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2/20/13 at 12:40pm
I like the hardball approach they are taking here. I was pretty sure AMD wouldn't just sit on their hands for the rest of the year, but a lot of people made assumptions. Now lets just hope they don't think they can just drop cards more cards with simple clock bumps (ie GHz Editions). Perhaps they'll offer something we hadn't thought of, who knows.

Edit: And of course we aren't getting launch dates or pinpoint projections. It's the same reason why NVidia and Intel do the same: The moment they say "We will be putting out a new high powered card in May.", prospective 7000 series buyers will hold off, and wait for the next big thing. We saw that with Titan, only really letting information out shortly before launch, because they knew it would cut into 680, and maybe some 690 sales as well.
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2/20/13 at 1:37pm
I own a 670, and at Titan's current prices, would have no way to justify it. Will people still buy the card, of course, but for us normal people. No thanks.
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2/20/13 at 2:09pm
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1.- the asus ares 2 can and will be faster than 1 single Titan.. plain and simple

2.-those "extra" dollars of the ares 2 gives you the blocks/pumps tubing, radiator, 2 fans etc.. add that to the titan and the price rise up easily to the same point



oh and btw.. lets say that the titan its between 45-55% faster than then 7970ghz... at 1000$ !??!? not exactly a good deal; yes its a very nmcie step forward blah blah blah.. but dont get over excited by the HYPE, think with your brain, not something else

Read the Bit tech net link and see why they "called" that conference thumb.gif

The problem with the ARES 2 is that only 1000 units will be made. A big portion of those will only ever be used for review purposes and as showcase pieces, some will be left unsold for RMA purposes etc. The real amount of cards will be laughably small. Titan on the other hand is a proper unlimited production run.

ARES 2 also will only beat Titan in single card setups, it can't be used in smaller builds, it has no chance of taking any world records in benchmarks.

Ares 2 is practically nonexistent, bulky and suffers from having 2 GPUs. It is in no way a competitor to a titan. I'd take a single titan over an ares 2 every day of the week.
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