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Actually something I forgot to mention and take notice of - Earth will be consumed when the sun starts expanding into a red giant LONG before the Higgs does this to our universe (~4.5 billion years time).

So it won't affect us anyway.

Unless by then we have become a multi-solar system race which lives by harvesting stars (I don't mean science fiction).

I remember reading that the Earth will burn way sooner due to Sun's pre-expansion stage - in about 500 Mill years. We'll see smile.gif
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I remember reading that the Earth will burn way sooner due to Sun's pre-expansion stage - in about 500 Mill years. We'll see smile.gif

The sun will expand to a red giant in about 5 billion years, not before unless the sun has been gradually expanding. If so can you provide documentation because from what I understand it will be rather 'sudden'.

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science is religion in intellectual disguise.

So do please clear up for us what intellectuality is in it's honest form, if not science.
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science is religion in intellectual disguise. The language may be different but i love how humans can't escape the manner they control and propagate presumptuous facts. Will the world end because of higgs boson? i doubt it, but it must be exciting for these scientists to get every college kid to believe that.

It is a fact that religious indoctrination and the pseudo-"spiritual" highjacking of words that are infused in our societies, thus in the way certain thoughts and phrases are put together, but the ideas conveyed are different.

If you want me to distort what you try to convey but keep your words: at least science requires intellectuality. Religion requires you to reject it, in favor or "spirituality" - a vague, empty word.


These dudes wanted to make a large header for their article. Maybe it is an overstatement, yet is it false?

Generalized statements, like "God doesn't play dice with the universe", or "a Universe from nothing", the start of the Big Bang etc, are worded within a broad context. Take them out of it, and you miss the point. It is fine. Its some scientist that did it. It is not infallible, "God dictated" etc

Generalized statements might be silly, but super specified BS are also silly, and guess what?
Specific claims, either scientific or religious, when are made and manifested upon the natural world can be investigated and falsified. You cannot have it both ways.

Sure, there are apologetics in science too, but man, are the more inconsistencies, false statements and lies in any book than those found in the "holly", god dictated ones?
So, yeah, contemplating the end of the universe is pointless after a certain point, but when you cannot let go discussions that should have ended some 200 years now...plz...get back in your cave, and leave rational discussions and the interwebs to the non-delusional.
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*snip*

So, let me get this straight, you believe that to believe in God is to reject science in any and all forms? And you believe that people who are religious are incapable of understanding and accepting the role of science in the universe? In short, that all people who have faith must therefor be shrill and rendered retarded due to unbending doctrine? I just want to understand where you're coming from here; I am not (yet) casting stones, to paraphrase the Bible.
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Noo why does religion get dragged into science threads.

Plenty of scientists out there who are religious, and plenty the other way around.

Also I might be wrong about this but last I remember, that the Sun will go through a fairly long process where it becomes a red giant engulfing most of the solar system.

However, Life will be impossible for humans before 5 billion years for now. something like 3-4 Billion years from now the earth will be waterless (unless subterranean water potentially exists then all life at this point would be done for).
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I just need a months notice before the Universe Explodes-so I don't have to pay rent.


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this is just another reason why I want to become truly immortal. to the point where I could swim in the sun lol

Too many questions, not enough time to see the answers, give me true immortality so that I may watch the fall of everything, and the beginnings of nothing.
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What about the fact that the universe is accelerating more and more? By the time an event like this happens, the rate at which space is being created will make galaxies seem like they are moving faster than the speed of light, although this isn't the case. I don't think that an event traveling at the speed of light could even reach us by the time the universe has already expanded to its lowest entropy state (I.E. no atoms or even black holes exist anyways), so we're screwed either way. But its becoming more and more clear that the universe is finite.

Current theory states that the Universe is both finite and boundless.

Much like a balloon, but imagine the surface of the balloon is 3D space and not a flat surface (in actuality it isn't, it is just so thin that most people see it as a flat surface).

The balloon obviously is finite because you can see the whole balloon, but you can go around in circles forever (boundless).

Since we are actually living on the "surface" of this "balloon" the Universe appears infinite because we have no way (yet lol?) to see the entire Universe, unlike the real balloon. So to us, it seems to go on forever when in reality we are just going in circles.

You can visualize the expansion of the Universe by visualizing a balloon being inflated with air that has dots all over it, that represent galaxies. The dots (galaxies) get farther apart from each other without any more matter being created.

Warning: I am not a professional astrophysicist.
Edited by kennyparker1337 - 2/21/13 at 9:25am
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Can we, please, leave religion out of this, as it adds nothing to this thread.
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Current theory states that the Universe is both finite and boundless.

Much like a balloon, but imagine the surface of the balloon is 3D space and not a flat surface (in actuality it isn't, it is just so thin that most people see it as a flat surface).

The balloon obviously is finite because you can see the whole balloon, but you can go around in circles forever (boundless).

Since we are actually living on the "surface" of this "balloon" the Universe appears infinite because we have no way (yet lol?) to see the entire Universe, unlike the real balloon. So to us, it seems to go on forever when in reality we are just going in circles.

You can visualize the expansion of the Universe by visualizing a balloon being inflated with air that has dots all over it, that represent galaxies. The dots (galaxies) get farther apart from each other without any more matter being created.

Warning: I am not a professional astrophysicist.

While your premise is correct matter not being created is incorrect because we have no idea where matter came from in the first place thus have no proof that matter isn't constantly created.
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