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Originally Posted by Murlocke View Post

After reading over the last few pages i've missed...

People have to realize that many of us are hardware enthusiast. We upgrade even when our current computer maxes every game on the market just because it's the latest and great, and a new toy to play around with. Despite common belief, this is not a gaming forum. Why are there so many "If you have a 1080p, titan is a waste" comments in the last few pages? This is overclock.net right? Where you overkill or don't even bother? Where did all these people come from? Not a single person is buying Titan for it's price/performance ratio, they are buying it to destroy games and benchmark, and possibly fold.

If you have 1080p and still want to use Titan, it will still beat any other single GPU card on the market at that resolution. If you have doubts, you can always render 1440p or beyond and then view it on a 1080p display when gaming. This drastically improves AA and image quality, and works in about 99% of games (unlike SSAA). It also brings my 680 to 30s and 40s in many newer games. If you have $1000, are looking for an upgrade and want a solid single GPU, Titan is going to be the way to go. On virtually any modern gaming resolution.

Rendered at 1680x1050 versus rendered at 2988x2100 & 3138x2100, both on a 1680x1050 monitor:
http://www.forum-3dcenter.org/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=7331815&postcount=863
http://www.forum-3dcenter.org/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=7311224&postcount=492

No.

What you're missing is that the GTX Titan is a premium card with 6GB of VRAM. The premium price you pay of $999 is because of the 6GB of VRAM the card has, nothing else. Just like a GTX 4GB 680. You pay a premium price of a few hundred dollars extra for a card that's exactly the same (most of the time actually worse in performance because it is clocked from the factory lower and won't overclock as high) just because of the VRAM. You want the VRAM, you have to pay a premium price for it.

Just like 6GB HD 7970 Crossfire would be stupid for a single 1080P screen buying a 6GB GTX Titan for a single 1080P screen that will never ever use that 6GB of VRAM, is exactly that, stupid.

If you want the best single card performance for a single screen you buy a GTX 690 or HD 7990. They cost the same amount as the GTX Titan, will give you a lot more performance and are suited for the task you're asking from it (all confirmed and quoted by major review sits like toms hardware). GTX Titan is not for 1080P. It is not for 1200P. It is for 1440/1600P and higher and the only justifiable way to run a GTX Titan is SLI. There is no point running a single GTX Titan. The price vs performance is not there and it is simply a bad purchase/decision. Once you put it in SLI though then it becomes a different story but that's not what we are talking about. Just like a single 4GB GTX 680 by itself compared to a reference GTX 680. Useless. But in SLI 2/3/4-Way the difference when used for Surround is massive. A GTX Titan is not a single powerhouse completed unit by it self (a GTX 690 is), it is part of one and should not be bought to be used on it's own because it will not meet expectations.

We are talking about a card that Nvidia themselves admit can't play Crysis 3 at maxxed graphics whilst a GTX 690 is already confirmed to not drop below 60FPS. So why would you spend soo much money on a card to destroy games when the reality is you just have to turn the graphics down or buy another one.



Sure their are exceptions like these mini builds and of course a GTX Titan will work well at 1080P but why on earth, other than to brag about having a GTX Titan would you buy a GTX Titan when for the same money you can have a GTX 690 which in better is every way for the money? And don't tell me how bad SLI is, rubbish, it's not true. GTX 690s do not have SLI issues in games that don't have driver issues period. They do not have microstutter. They have less microstutter than any dual GPU card ever made and they are quiet, reliable and elegant in every way.

There is a reason people are looking at the 1080P users trying to tell everyone how much they need a GTX Titan like they are stupid, it's because they look it. And those same people know what everyone else knows. That this card isn't for single GPU use. Nvidia put the performance of this card where it did for a reason and that is to be used in SLI configurations instead of the now obsolete 4GB GTX 680.

Sure some of you can argue you want it for an upgrade path but these won't drop in price in a year just like the GTX 690 hasn't and soon enough you'll have wasted $2000 on GPUs for a single 1080P screen which is laughable.

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Nope, Micro Stutter is present irrespective of your setup. There are ways to minimize it but it cannot be completely eliminated. I've run systems with the cpu at 4.8ghz with dual 680's and still encountered micro stutter. Same thing with dual 7970's.

I've pretty much run every iteration of nvidia cards in SLI or Tri-SLI and it has always been there. Same goes for team red.

Single core is always going to be smoother (if a bit slower).

No. Not in a way the user can feel or notice it.

Course it will always be there, but if it low enough and it is, in all current gen top tier cards then it isn't relevant. Show me proof, I would love to see how a R7970 set-up with the latest drivers (which were released to combat it) and radeon pro has noticeable micro stutter. Which I can tell you it does not. Then I would love to see how you can show and tell me my 4GB GTX 680 SLI set-up has micro stutter, which it does not or better still how my GTX 690 has microstutter which it doesn't either.
    
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To be fair, Nvidia also offers lower priced cards that are pretty good value like the sub $300 660Ti...

I know. And Intel does offer complete rip-off chips like the 3970X. I was just being facetious while I impatiently wait for actual reviews. smile.gif
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No need, you have already convinced yourself that something that the manufacturer's admit exists is non existent on your system.

Must be magic biggrin.gif
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No.

What you're missing is that the GTX Titan is a premium card with 6GB of VRAM. The premium price you pay of $999 is because of the 6GB of VRAM the card has, nothing else. Just like a GTX 4GB 680. You pay a premium price of a few hundred dollars extra for a card that's exactly the same (most of the time actually worse in performance because it is clocked from the factory lower and won't overclock as high) just because of the VRAM. You want the VRAM, you have to pay a premium price for it.

Just like 6GB HD 7970 Crossfire would be stupid for a single 1080P screen buying a 6GB GTX Titan for a single 1080P screen that will never ever use that 6GB of VRAM, is exactly that, stupid.

If you want the best single card performance for a single screen you buy a GTX 690 or HD 7990. They cost the same amount as the GTX Titan, will give you a lot more performance and are suited for the task you're asking from it (all confirmed and quoted by major review sits like toms hardware). GTX Titan is not for 1080P. It is not for 1200P. It is for 1440/1600P and higher and the only justifiable way to run a GTX Titan is SLI. There is no point running a single GTX Titan. The price vs performance is not there and it is simply a bad purchase/decision. Once you put it in SLI though then it becomes a different story but that's not what we are talking about. Just like a single 4GB GTX 680 by itself compared to a reference GTX 680. Useless. But in SLI 2/3/4-Way the difference when used for Surround is massive. A GTX Titan is not a single powerhouse completed unit by it self (a GTX 690 is), it is part of one and should not be bought to be used on it's own because it will not meet expectations.

We are talking about a card that Nvidia themselves admit can't play Crysis 3 at maxxed graphics whilst a GTX 690 is already confirmed to not drop below 60FPS. So why would you spend soo much money on a card to destroy games when the reality is you just have to turn the graphics down or buy another one.



Sure their are exceptions like these mini builds and of course a GTX Titan will work well at 1080P but why on earth, other than to brag about having a GTX Titan would you buy a GTX Titan when for the same money you can have a GTX 690 which in better is every way for the money? And don't tell me how bad SLI is, rubbish, it's not true. GTX 690s do not have SLI issues in games that don't have driver issues period. They do not have microstutter. They have less microstutter than any dual GPU card ever made and they are quiet, reliable and elegant in every way.

There is a reason people are looking at the 1080P users trying to tell everyone how much they need a GTX Titan like they are stupid, it's because they look it. And those same people know what everyone else knows. That this card isn't for single GPU use. Nvidia put the performance of this card where it did for a reason and that is to be used in SLI configurations instead of the now obsolete 4GB GTX 680.

Sure some of you can argue you want it for an upgrade path but these won't drop in price in a year just like the GTX 690 hasn't and soon enough you'll have wasted $2000 on GPUs for a single 1080P screen which is laughable.
No. Not in a way the user can feel or notice it.

Course it will always be there, but if it low enough and it is, in all current gen top tier cards then it isn't relevant. Show me proof, I would love to see how a R7970 set-up with the latest drivers (which were released to combat it) and radeon pro has noticeable micro stutter. Which I can tell you it does not. Then I would love to see how you can show and tell me my 4GB GTX 680 SLI set-up has micro stutter, which it does not or better still how my GTX 690 has microstutter which it doesn't either.

Everything in this post is opinion, not fact, and its fairly poor opinion at that (not to mention rude and obnoxious). There is absolutely nothing wrong with running a single Titan on a single 1080p monitor if you like. Some people like to benchmark for numbers and resolution makes no difference. Some like to fold or use compute. Don't assume that you alone can tell all of us what hardware we are allowed to use and how we are allowed to use it.
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I know. And Intel does offer complete rip-off chips like the 3970X. I was just being facetious while I impatiently wait for actual reviews. smile.gif

Blame amd. If they had anything that could compete with intels 6 cores they wouldnt be so expensive
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Blame amd. If they had anything that could compete with intels 6 cores they wouldnt be so expensive

But they have 8 cores!!!!!!
    
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No need, you have already convinced yourself that something that the manufacturer's admit exists is non existent on your system.

Must be magic biggrin.gif
if the human eye doesn't see it.... (need glasses or not..)
kinda like a tree falling in the woods if know one is there did it make a sound.. LoL
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No need, you have already convinced yourself that something that the manufacturer's admit exists is non existent on your system.

Must be magic biggrin.gif

It may exist on a graph but if my eyes can't see it I don't care. I admit that the perception of microstutter is different from person to person. I am just lucky in that I apparently can't see it so bring on the SLI and CF! biggrin.gif
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I think thestache has a point, and im agreed, why should i pay same $$$ for less perfomance, im goin just to get a pair of GTX 680 and laugh at rest, specially those Titans owners with "more power than a GTX 680 but less than GTX 690" Oh C'mon, Nvidia trully need to drop it.

Edit: I think i better go with 7970 Ghz CF as response for this Nvidia Insult. i feel insulted. wink.gif

Edit2: I still hope the guy of this video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zkjBNnKr6z4 is wrong, and TItan perfomance very very close to GTX 690, im a nvidia fan i still trusth on them.
Edited by Sujeto 1 - 2/19/13 at 8:16pm
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3 and 4-way SLi set-ups I can see but standard SLi, I have yet to experience micro-stuttering.
my opinion..

maybe when I move up to the GTX 7 series or so but then I'm expecting to go Haswell next year or whenever.
I feel a 2500K @ 4.5GHz which is pushing SLi N560GTX-Ti 448's (MSi PE's) can push a stronger set of cards.
SLi GTX 780's I hope one day, that's when Haswell might come into play.

hell I can always turn up the overclock higher.
same for my 3570K @ 4.4GHz, what can't it push.?

Some people notice it more than others. I know people that simply can't see it, and other people that can't stand it. It varies from game per game too.
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