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dude i've been saying this in soo many threads and all i got in return was some idiotic responses along the lines of "you're jealous because you can't afford it" or "it's because you're an AMD owner" totally missing the whole point. Doing stuff like this only hurts the PC industry in the long run.

Gotta give Nvidia some accolades for starting up such a potent hype machine, one that discards common sense. This card is such a rip off...

Ripoff for who? College students? Teenagers? People who work at Walmart? Having the best doesnt come cheap. For the few over 30 with disposable incomes this isnt a ripoff at all.
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I paid an extra $5K for my Evo VIII MR for rarity and uniqueness (Not that Evos are unique or rare biggrin.gif) but I honestly don't see the problem if you can afford it. If you find Titan too outlandishly expensive and want to smartly invest your hard earned money get the 7970, 680, 670, or 7950. Simple as that...

Could have had a Vette instead wink.gif
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Ripoff for who? College students? Teenagers? People who work at Walmart? Having the best doesnt come cheap. For the few over 30 with disposable incomes this isnt a ripoff at all.

A ripoff is a ripoff. I could afford $5 for a loaf of bread or a bottle of water; doesn't mean it's not a ripoff. Both the price and price/performance ratio are unprecedentedly poor. It might be the best, but that doesn't mean the price gouging is good or even acceptable.

Had this thing cost ~$800 I would not be singing the same tune.
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Could have had a Vette instead wink.gif

A Vette would be a seasonal car where I live. I needed an all-season / sporty vehicle
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Originally Posted by Mad Pistol View Post

I'm pretty angry right now, and here's why: MANY OF YOU have said you will be purchasing a Titan... or 3.

Why am I angry about this? Let me explain.


By saying that you're going to be purchasing a Titan, you have now told Nvidia that it is ok to sell their fastest single-GPU card at a price point of $1000. The last generation GF110, the GTX 580, sold for $500, and the die size was only a little bit smaller than GK110.

On top of this, the GTX 690, which is dual GK104's, is selling for $1000. Also, the GTX 690 is FASTER than the Titan. Do you understand what sort of poor value is represented by Titan? It takes poor value in the GPU market to a whole new level. At least the GTX 690 was almost twice as fast as a GTX 680. That means the value of the GTX 690 was pretty good. Not so with the Titan, though. You're getting WORSE performance at the same price as a GTX 690.

So thank you OCN for telling nvidia that it's ok to create a $1000 stock graphics card for the consumer market. We will be reaping the benefits of this decision for years to come. mad.gif

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A ripoff is a ripoff. I could afford $5 for a loaf of bread or a bottle of water; doesn't mean it's not a ripoff. Both the price and price/performance ratio are unprecedentedly poor. It might be the best, but that doesn't mean the price gouging is good or even acceptable.

Had this thing cost ~$800 I would not be singing the same tune.

I think you both need to read this post, it is spot on and I agree with it. BRING ON THE TITAN:



By PCDuster:

To follow up on what I was talking about earlier, as far as the price/performance difference between a 670 and a 680, you can find a GTX 670 for $360. A 680 can go for $460.

670 -> 680

Price increase 27%.

Performance increase 5-10%.


680 -> Titan

Price increase of 109%

Performance increase: 40%+


If you count the difference between 670 and 680 as 10%(upper end) and the difference between the 680 and the Titan at 40%(lower end, even used by someone who called it a "turd"), both examples are pretty similar. In actuality, though, the difference between the 670 and 680, even in SLI, tend to be pretty insignificant. 670 or 680 to Titan, though? Noticeable difference.

I only point this out because there are a lot of 680s in the sigs in this thread. Not to say that is a bad thing, just saying that they are popular cards, even if they aren't the absolute best bang for the buck. But would this hobby be anywhere near as fun if you only did that which was fiscally sound?

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A ripoff is a ripoff. I could afford $5 for a loaf of bread or a bottle of water; doesn't mean it's not a ripoff. Both the price and price/performance ratio are unprecedentedly poor. It might be the best, but that doesn't mean the price gouging is good or even acceptable.

Had this thing cost ~$800 I would not be singing the same tune.

Wait a few months. Im sure you'll be able to get a used one for 850 wink.gif
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Originally Posted by GoldenTiger 
I think you both need to read this post, it is spot on and I agree with it. BRING ON THE TITAN:



By PCDuster:

To follow up on what I was talking about earlier, as far as the price/performance difference between a 670 and a 680, you can find a GTX 670 for $360. A 680 can go for $460.

670 -> 680

Price increase 27%.

Performance increase 5-10%.


680 -> Titan

Price increase of 109%

Performance increase: 40%+


If you count the difference between 670 and 680 as 10%(upper end) and the difference between the 680 and the Titan at 40%(lower end, even used by someone who called it a "turd"), both examples are pretty similar. In actuality, though, the difference between the 670 and 680, even in SLI, tend to be pretty insignificant. 670 or 680 to Titan, though? Noticeable difference.

I only point this out because there are a lot of 680s in the sigs in this thread. Not to say that is a bad thing, just saying that they are popular cards, even if they aren't the absolute best bang for the buck. But would this hobby be anywhere near as fun if you only did that which was fiscally sound?


Do you not remember the 670's launch? Everyone was calling NVIDIA stupid for releasing a card with performance so close to the 680 for $400 and the 670 was a wild success, becoming the price/performance king until AMD's price cuts.
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Wait a few months. Im sure you'll be able to get a used one for 850 wink.gif

Irrelevant. This sets a dangerous precedent.
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Do you not remember the 670's launch? Everyone was calling NVIDIA stupid for releasing a card with performance so close to the 680 for $400 and the 670 was a wild success, becoming the price/performance king until AMD's price cuts.
Irrelevant. This sets a dangerous precedent.

There's a reason Nvidia released this card around tax time.
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They played us like fiddles from the start.

They took a mid-ranged GK104 chip and inflated the price to $500 for what should have been $299. They also locked voltages but despite these two things everyone and their god damn grandmother went out and bought one.

With the refresh of Kepler, they saw how desperate we were for "the real deal", so they released a $500 dollar flagship and are charging us a cool grand because they noticed how everyone was willing to sell off a kidney to buy this crap.

And they said, "look guys, remember how we screwed you guys over last time and locked voltages? well now it's back!! lookie here! here you go guys!". And like a bunch of kittens being toyed with, they gave us our yarn voltages "back" and we gladly accepted this and went about our way like it was nothing.

I am so ashamed off being an enthusiast. The sheer desperation you guys display is shocking. You guys would literally sell of your kidneys if a card was fast enough and marketed right.

I am sooo @$%$@%@ pissed. This card should be $499 MAX. And screw the extra charge for RAM, how much can an extra 3 GB cost? You can buy 12GB of RAM for $50.
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A ripoff is a ripoff. I could afford $5 for a loaf of bread or a bottle of water; doesn't mean it's not a ripoff. Both the price and price/performance ratio are unprecedentedly poor. It might be the best, but that doesn't mean the price gouging is good or even acceptable.

Had this thing cost ~$800 I would not be singing the same tune.

So why is $800 okay but $1k is a ripoff? Seems like a pretty subjective difference to me. The reason Nvidia priced Titan the way they did is not because of its performance and that is what the price-whiners don't understand. It was priced the way it is because Nvidia sees the Titan (and the 690) as luxury items and wants them to be above the typical mainstream consumer stuff. That's why it has the aluminum body and all the little touches of elegance like the 690. This was never a card meant for the masses...
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Originally Posted by Stay Puft View Post

There's a reason Nvidia released this card around tax time.

Because they finally had a sufficient supply of poorly binned GK110s?

And again your comment is irrelevant and has nothing to do with the price of the Titan being way out of line with its performance and setting a dangerous precedent that it's okay to charge $1000 for a consumer GPU. The 690 was worth the $1000; this is not.
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So why is $800 okay but $1k is a ripoff? Seems like a pretty subjective difference to me. The reason Nvidia priced Titan the way they did is not because of its performance and that is what the price-whiners don't understand. It was priced the way it is because Nvidia sees the Titan (and the 690) as luxury items and wants them to be above the typical mainstream consumer stuff. That's why it has the aluminum body and all the little touches of elegance like the 690. This was never a card meant for the masses...

$800 is more in line with its performance relative to the current generation and has been done before (8800 Ultra).

No offense, but many of us who aren't rich see "luxury items" as being some of the stupidest things one could throw their money away on when they offer no tangible advantage over a non-luxury item.

The 690 is worth its price.
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128GB Crucial M4 1TB Seagate Barracuda 7200.12 2TB Seagate Barracuda ST 7200 RPM who cares 
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XSPC Raystorm XSPC Razor HD 7970 XSPC EX240 Swiftech MCP50X 
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Black Ice GT Stealth 240 2x XSPC Xinruilian 1650rpm 2x Yate Loon Slim 1800rpm Alphacool Light Tower 
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Windows 7 Gentoo GNU/Linux Dell UltraSharp U2412M CM Storm Trigger MX Brown 
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Corsair AX750 Corsair Carbide 300R Logitech G400 
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AMD OPTERON BULLDOZER 16-CORE 2GHZ (32GHZ TOTAL) ALIENWARE 3+1 PHASE ITX GAMING BOARD 4GB NVIDIA GEFORCE GT 430 32GB GAMING DDR3 800MHZ CL13 
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2TB 5400RPM GAMING HDD GAMING BLU RAY BURNER ONE GAMING CASE FAN UBUNTU W/ UNITY (I AM 1337 H4X0R) 
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HD-READY 24" 1366X768 PENTILE TN PANEL GAMING M... ALIENWARE TACTX UBER 1337 BACKLIT RUBBER MEMBRA... OFF-BRAND 200W GAMING PSU; 65% EFFICIENCY  ALIENWARE GAMING CASE WITH THE COOL GLOWING ALIEN 
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ALIENWARE TACTX GAMING MOUSE ALIENWARE MOUSEPAD IT'S DESIGNED FOR GAMING AND... BEATS AUDIO 1337 ALIENWARE TACTX 8-CHANNEL GAMING HEADSET/M... 
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16 CORES!!!! 4GB VRAM!!!! FASTER THAN 3960X + 7... ALIENWARE GAMING CARPET 
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AMD A6-3420M OC 2.2GHz / 3GHz Turbo 1.10625v ASUS A53Z AMD Radeon HD 6520G 6GB DDR3 1333MHz 
Hard DriveOptical DriveCoolingOS
320GB WD Scorpio Black yes. really good Windows 7 Home Premium 64-bit 
OSMonitorKeyboardPower
Fedora GNU/Linux 1366x768 LED-backlit TN panel Decent + numpad ~5hr 6-cell li-ion 
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Altec Lansing 
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