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Some people notice it more than others. I know people that simply can't see it, and other people that can't stand it. It varies from game per game too.

Well brother that's really sad if you ask me. I personally have never experienced it with my 690. You will be forced to run 1080p forever because no single gpu including Titan will get it done in higher resolutions. And that's sad because your missing out on so much.
 
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My question is this ? Because of the current pricing fiasco can the next gen Maxwell GM104 based GTX 880 be priced at USD 1000 ? it would beat Titan easily as the GTX 680 beat the GTX 580 . And then the true big die flagship GM110 based Titan 2 in early 2015 can launch at USD 2000 and we will praise Nvida for the luxury product rolleyes.gif
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It all stated with the GTX690. Dual GPUs used to be $500 and now they are $1000 also. Would not be surprising that some next dual GPU is 1.2K.

I seem to remember the 7950gx2 for 600+
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It all stated with the GTX690. Dual GPUs used to be $500 and now they are $1000 also. Would not be surprising that some next dual GPU is 1.2K.

SLI has hit a point, though, where the 690 actually is nearly twice as fast as the 680. Its performance is in line with the price. Dual GPUs in the past didn't used to scale so well and had much more noticeable downsides. The 590 couldn't hold a candle to 580 SLI, so it was priced 50% higher than the 580. The 6990 was pretty damn close to two 6970s so AMD charged 85% more than the 6970.
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My question is this ? Because of the current pricing fiasco can the next gen Maxwell GM104 based GTX 880 be priced at USD 1000 ? it would beat Titan easily as the GTX 680 beat the GTX 580 . And then the true big die flagship GM110 based Titan 2 in early 2015 can launch at USD 2000 and we will praise Nvida for the luxury product rolleyes.gif

My thoughts exactly.
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The issue is not the price of the Titan, at least not relatively. The issue is that the GTX 690 costs the same as the Titan, and the 690, which has been on the market now for over half a year, is still considerably quicker.

The problem is that nvidia is gouging itself by pricing the Titan at $1k. Nvidia already has a card at the $1k price point, and it already happens to be a faster card. That means the Titan's price point simply does not make sense. At least at $900, the GTX 690 still has its place as the fastest and most expensive card in nvidia's consumer lineup. Since the Titan will be $1000, it's going to make the GTX 690 the fastest, but it will be tied for most expensive. Who in their right mind would choose a Titan over a 690 when both cards are priced the same and the 690 is faster?

Yes, I realize that the performance scaling on multi-card setups for the Titan is going to be awesome. The Titan makes a case for itself in that case... or does it? Now we cross into a paradox a la Fermi where Fermi cards were great for multi-monitor setups... that is, if you bought a second card. By itself, a GTX 4xx/5xx card could not drive 3 monitors. Only with a second card could you drive 3 monitors simultaneously. The Fermi paradox now crosses into Big Kepler: Titan is only a good value if you buy 2 cards.

Am I the only one that really understands what nvidia is doing here? It does not take a rocket scientist to see that Nvidia is playing this market like a soap opera; reactionary economics at its finest. It worked for Fermi... it will work for Big Kepler too. wink.gif

It's a mistake to buy any Titan GPU's. Doing this will give nvidia the green light to continue to make their best single-GPU flagship into a $1k card. That makes the dual-GPU card $2k in a couple generations... $2k for a single consumer graphics card. Those of you that see Titan as a "status symbol" need to turn on the lights. You're buying a graphics card, not a sports car. Most people don't even know what a graphics card is, let along what a Geforce Titan is. If you're buying it for the status, you're doing it wrong. In fact, if you're buying it PERIOD, you're doing it wrong. The 690 makes a case for itself, but the Titan? The Titan is an abomination to high-end graphics cards at the $1000 price point.

Food for thought. Be careful what you wish for. wink.gif


So any consensus on this here?

Paying for what it is and the price it is and deriving value or buying into the value created for you vs long term view of pricing trends...

if we are all being loving eyed tech heads of course we will pay what we have to , I would. Looking at it from the outside at the industry pricing there is some value in taking responsibility for the affects we do cause on pricing.

It will be fun to see how this plays out, both with NVIDIA and in this forum LOL
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The issue is not the price of the Titan, at least not relatively. The issue is that the GTX 690 costs the same as the Titan, and the 690, which has been on the market now for over half a year, is still considerably quicker.

The problem is that nvidia is gouging itself by pricing the Titan at $1k. Nvidia already has a card at the $1k price point, and it already happens to be a faster card. That means the Titan's price point simply does not make sense. At least at $900, the GTX 690 still has its place as the fastest and most expensive card in nvidia's consumer lineup. Since the Titan will be $1000, it's going to make the GTX 690 the fastest, but it will be tied for most expensive. Who in their right mind would choose a Titan over a 690 when both cards are priced the same and the 690 is faster?

Yes, I realize that the performance scaling on multi-card setups for the Titan is going to be awesome. The Titan makes a case for itself in that case... or does it? Now we cross into a paradox a la Fermi where Fermi cards were great for multi-monitor setups... that is, if you bought a second card. By itself, a GTX 4xx/5xx card could not drive 3 monitors. Only with a second card could you drive 3 monitors simultaneously. The Fermi paradox now crosses into Big Kepler: Titan is only a good value if you buy 2 cards.

Am I the only one that really understands what nvidia is doing here? It does not take a rocket scientist to see that Nvidia is playing this market like a soap opera; reactionary economics at its finest. It worked for Fermi... it will work for Big Kepler too. wink.gif

It's a mistake to buy any Titan GPU's. Doing this will give nvidia the green light to continue to make their best single-GPU flagship into a $1k card. That makes the dual-GPU card $2k in a couple generations... $2k for a single consumer graphics card. Those of you that see Titan as a "status symbol" need to turn on the lights. You're buying a graphics card, not a sports car. Most people don't even know what a graphics card is, let along what a Geforce Titan is. If you're buying it for the status, you're doing it wrong. In fact, if you're buying it PERIOD, you're doing it wrong. The 690 makes a case for itself, but the Titan? The Titan is an abomination to high-end graphics cards at the $1000 price point.

Food for thought. Be careful what you wish for. wink.gif

Um, everybody here will absolutely know what a Titan is and will see two of them in my sig every time I post. That is how status symbols work. You wishing Nvidia would do poorly with Titan so they lower prices is irrelevant. Titan is going to sell out regardless of whether you want it to succeed or not. The only thing that will bring Nvidia back down in price is competition from AMD, which they will get later this year. Stop panicking.
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SLI has hit a point, though, where the 690 actually is nearly twice as fast as the 680. Its performance is in line with the price. Dual GPUs in the past didn't used to scale so well and had much more noticeable downsides. The 590 couldn't hold a candle to 580 SLI, so it was priced 50% higher than the 580. The 6990 was pretty damn close to two 6970s so AMD charged 85% more than the 6970.

good points!!!

!!!
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So what's the consensus on this, fellas?

I gotta say, i'm not a fan of the 1000$ pricetag. I *do* want a Titan and had planned on selling my existing cards to fund that purchase, however - I just can't see why Titan is 1000$ while performing less than the 690 and costing the same. Pretty mind boggling. Hell, at 900$ I wouldn't even complain, but 1000$ seems too high based solely on principle. I've never seen a situation where a new release has a lower performance per dollar than an existing halo card....

Oh well, we'll see. I may still get it. Nvidia seems to have gone full retard on the price here, though - having lower perf/dollar than a year old card is unprecedented. Definitely leaves a bad taste in my mouth.
Edited by xoleras - 2/19/13 at 10:10pm
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Originally Posted by Mad Pistol View Post

The issue is not the price of the Titan, at least not relatively. The issue is that the GTX 690 costs the same as the Titan, and the 690, which has been on the market now for over half a year, is still considerably quicker.

The problem is that nvidia is gouging itself by pricing the Titan at $1k. Nvidia already has a card at the $1k price point, and it already happens to be a faster card. That means the Titan's price point simply does not make sense. At least at $900, the GTX 690 still has its place as the fastest and most expensive card in nvidia's consumer lineup. Since the Titan will be $1000, it's going to make the GTX 690 the fastest, but it will be tied for most expensive. Who in their right mind would choose a Titan over a 690 when both cards are priced the same and the 690 is faster?

Yes, I realize that the performance scaling on multi-card setups for the Titan is going to be awesome. The Titan makes a case for itself in that case... or does it? Now we cross into a paradox a la Fermi where Fermi cards were great for multi-monitor setups... that is, if you bought a second card. By itself, a GTX 4xx/5xx card could not drive 3 monitors. Only with a second card could you drive 3 monitors simultaneously. The Fermi paradox now crosses into Big Kepler: Titan is only a good value if you buy 2 cards.

Am I the only one that really understands what nvidia is doing here? It does not take a rocket scientist to see that Nvidia is playing this market like a soap opera; reactionary economics at its finest. It worked for Fermi... it will work for Big Kepler too. wink.gif

It's a mistake to buy any Titan GPU's. Doing this will give nvidia the green light to continue to make their best single-GPU flagship into a $1k card. That makes the dual-GPU card $2k in a couple generations... $2k for a single consumer graphics card. Those of you that see Titan as a "status symbol" need to turn on the lights. You're buying a graphics card, not a sports car. Most people don't even know what a graphics card is, let along what a Geforce Titan is. If you're buying it for the status, you're doing it wrong. In fact, if you're buying it PERIOD, you're doing it wrong. The 690 makes a case for itself, but the Titan? The Titan is an abomination to high-end graphics cards at the $1000 price point.

Food for thought. Be careful what you wish for. wink.gif

Yeah, what he said.....I think I will reconsider buying a Titan but I will reserve the notion untill performance and overclocking data is released. Me thinks Nvidia is settiing itself up to charge a hell of a lot more for its flagship models.
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It's a luxury item, like an ARES II. Not meant for everyday consumers and mass-market, and it's also (per nVidia in the anand article) an entry-level workstation card. But, you knew that.... it does amaze me how tenacious you are, starting out as an obvious AMD shill on Hardforum and now having toned into a legit-looking poster here. I guess when your employer's having that much of an issue in the market... you kinda have to be.

 

 

That is what nVidia wants u to believe.

 

Since they are in collusion with AMD (who isn't releasing a new top-end car in 2013) the Titan will go unopposed & claim top dollar. Not because it is "special" in any way.

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