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Originally Posted by Mad Pistol View Post

I use my rig to play games. Not sure about you... rolleyes.gif

Let me rephrase this: I'm not snubbing those that spend money on high-end components. Intel has been pricing their flagship CPU's at $1000 for a while now. The thing is that Intel consistently releases an incredible gaming chip at around $200 each year or two. That makes the $1000 CPU ok because most people will buy the $200 CPU and be completely happy that they're getting 80% of the performance for 20% of the price.


Now, Nvidia on the other hand has a card called the GTX 690, which by itself is a great card. It's fast, energy efficient, and it looks very cool. It's twice as expensive as nvidia's GTx 680, and rightfully so; the GTX 690 uses two GTX 680 chips. However, in terms of gaming, once you get below the GTX 670, a $400 card, there starts to be pretty significant compromises in the lineup. The GTX 660 Ti is a perfect example of this with its limited memory bus which hurts AA performance.

So why in the world is a card called the Titan, which offers roughly 30-60% more performance than a GTX 680, priced at the same level as a GTX 690? I mean, my head is exploding here thinking about it. Every ounce of sense in my brain is telling me that the Titan should be priced between $800-900 in order not to gouge the existing GTX 690. Yet, the Titan is priced exactly the same as the 690.

I mean, you can argue that graphics cards and rigs are a status symbol all day long, but the fact is, I use my rig to play games. I'm proud of my rig, for sure, but I do not consider it a status symbol.

So really, the question boils down to, what justifies the Titan's price? As of now, and by appearance of its specs, performance wouldnt be one of them. Im hoping it has huge OC potential though. Maybe enough to match the 690 in speed.
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Originally Posted by Mad Pistol View Post

Eat your words buddy. It goes both ways. thumb.gif

The only problem right now is that people will be willingly buying this card for $1000. It's not worth $1000... not even close. $800? Possibly. Not $1000 though.

You don't get to decide that though. And I believe I started off this entire discussion by acknowledging the fact that I am probably an ass...
post #753 of 1636
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Originally Posted by Majin SSJ Eric View Post

Benching is like racing for computers and racers are always very interested in what kit the competition has. Period. Get off your high horse for a little while will ya?

A good racer with a Pinto can beat an idiot with a Bugatti Veyron.

An idiot with 7970 quadfire on air can beat a genius with a single heavily modified 7970 running at 1.7GHz under LN2.

I don't know much about what you do, but benching $2000 graphics setups on air/water sounds like a ridiculously expensive hobby. What guys like Alatar and ftw420 to name a couple do is significantly different, though, and if you're in that crowd of subzero cooling and hardmod benchers I can definitely respect any expense.
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Originally Posted by Majin SSJ Eric View Post

You don't get to decide that though. And I believe I started off this entire discussion by acknowledging the fact that I am probably an ass...

Oh really??? rolleyes.gif

I have decided not to buy a Titan.


You were saying? thumb.gif
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Originally Posted by Usario View Post

I don't know much about what you do, but benching $2000 graphics setups on air/water sounds like a ridiculously expensive hobby. What guys like Alatar and ftw420 to name a couple do is significantly different, though, and if you're in that crowd of subzero cooling and hardmod benchers I can definitely respect any expense.

Exotic benching is an awesome hobby. I really do respect the guys that do this. Pushing hardware to the limits of what it is physically capable of using exotic forms of cooling is seriously cool. thumb.gif

Buying the most expensive hardware just so you can say you bought it? Not so much. tongue.gif
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8800 Ultra was $800
8800 GTX was $600

Those where times when Nvidia could do that lol and it was not like Ultra had any relevance to push prices up because it does not have the performance advantage as Titan

I'm not sure I understand this logic, no offense. Your saying Titan would be more justified at $1000 if it performed worse...?

I'm so confused.
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Eat your words buddy. It goes both ways. thumb.gif

The only problem right now is that people will be willingly buying this card for $1000. It's not worth $1000... not even close. $800? Possibly. Not $1000 though.

Please stop spreading your opinion around like its fact... I have no problems with you stating that you don't feel the card is worth $1000, but the way you keep expressing your opinions is why people are getting worked up. redface.gif

If you don't feel the card is worth $1000, great, don't buy it and let people who are actually interested in the card discuss it please. I mean at this point it's 100% confirmed it will be $1000 MSRP, so why keep posting in these threads if you have no intention on buying or expressing your opinions as actual opinions?
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Originally Posted by Mad Pistol View Post

Oh really??? rolleyes.gif

I have decided not to buy a Titan.


You were saying? thumb.gif

Again, at this point your are just trolling. If you don't want a Titan, then stop posting in the threads if you can't be constructive. Stating your opinions as facts over and over is not constructive and does nothing but cause drama.
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Guys, for the love of god please stop comparing Titan to the 680 and then rationalizing it's $1000 price tag. The 680 was already a ripoff, you can't let a rip off set the standard and compare everything else to it.

This is how prices continue to skyrocket. What's next? A $900 Maxwell and a $1200 Maxwell refresh? After all, Maxwell 1.0 is faster and more efficient than Titan anyway, so it's gotta be a great deal right???
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You don't get to decide that for anybody but yourself though. And I believe I started off this entire discussion by acknowledging the fact that I am probably an ass...

Fixed for Mad Pistol. thumb.gif
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Usario gets it. thumb.gif

The problem is that a standard is going to be set with Titan. AMD will eventually create a single-GPU that will dethrone Titan. There is no doubt about that. The problem is that if nvidia is selling the Titan at $1k and selling it successfully at that price point, what company in their right mind would sell a flagship video card at $500 when they can sell it for $1000 and sell their mid-range for $500?

The precedent is being set with the Titan. That's the issue. It's not a status symbol; it's a rip-off.

Then why wasn't a precedent set when AMD priced the 7970 at $550? The GTX 680 came out faster, so by your logic Nvidia should have charged $600 for it. But they didn't, not because the performance wasn't there, but because the supply/demand curve was at a lower price point. Do you think Nvidia or AMD would be able to sell hundreds of thousands of 780/8970 at $1000? The Titan is a small volume part, which means it can command a higher price because they aren't trying to sell so any of them.

One small-volume card doesn't make a trend. If you want to sell a high volume of parts, you have to charge high-volume prices.
Edited by Forceman - 2/19/13 at 10:43pm
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Performance will have to go up but price has to stay the same. The next best thing has always to have best price/performance. For example GTX480 @ $500 has better price/performance then GTX285 @ $500. This card is 1 year after GTX680 and extra 2 months of HD 7970. That is more then enough time to increase performance for price not decrease it.

people here forget how the GPU industry works. every 2 years you have a doubling of performance.

8800 GTX - Nov 2006 Perf - 100% USD 549 (90 nm chip)
GTX 285 - Jan 2008 Perf - 200% USD 379 (55nm chip)
GTX 580 - Nov 2010 Perf - 400% USD 499 (40 nm chip)
Titan - Feb 2013 Perf - 800% USD 999 (28nm chip)

The anomaly in this lineup is the GTX 285 . that generation had the fiercest price wars because AMD wanted to get back market share it lost during 8800 GTX generation. Both companies struggled in that price war. Things returned to normalcy with the Fermi generation after Nvidia fixed the issues which plagued the GTX 480. Nvidia comfortably had the single GPU crown at a traditional USD 500 price point. Now we see a new trend of doublng prices. According to this trend GM110 can be priced at USD 2000. This is not a good trend for the GPU industry which will face severe challenges in the years to come with a shrinking discrete GPU market. please read Jon Peddie Q4 2012 gpu market research.

http://www.techpowerup.com/180389/Jon-Peddie-Research-Reports-Graphics-Market-Down-8.2-in-Q4-2012.html
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Guys, for the love of god please stop comparing Titan to the 680 and then rationalizing it's $1000 price tag. The 680 was already a ripoff, you can't let a rip off set the standard and compare everything else to it.

This is how prices continue to skyrocket. What's next? A $900 Maxwell and a $1200 Maxwell refresh? After all, Maxwell 1.0 is faster and more efficient than Titan anyway, so it's gotta be a great deal right???

Do you not understand economics at all? Nvidia can't charge what people can't pay. You think they are going to survive by selling 10k graphics cards a year? rolleyes.gif
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Then why wasn't a precedent set when AMD priced the 7970 at $550? The GTX 680 came out faster, so by your logic Nvidia should have charged $600 for it. But they didn't, not because the performance wasn't there, but because the supply/demand curve was at a lower price point. Do you think Nvidia or AMD would be able to sell hundreds of thousands of 780/8970 at $1000? The Titan is a small volume part, which means it can command a higher price because they aren't trying to sell so any of them.

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