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Originally Posted by th3illusiveman View Post

I feel soo bad for the future of the GPU industry after reading some of the things i've seen in this thread. thumbsdownsmileyanim.gif

the Titan is looking to be a really well made piece of tech put together by some brilliant engineers but Nvidia is setting a horrible precedent for what the future could hold in GPU advancement with it's pricing. Almost one year after we saw the increadible leap in performance from a 570 to 670 for around the same price, we get the same leap from a 680 to a TITAN for more than twice the price. The worst part is people are okay with it because they think it makes them unique little snowflakes doh.gif

A 570 to 670 is the same leap as a 680 to a titan?

Are you crazy? It's like twice as big of a gap judging by the leaked charts on the official NVIDIA site. It also has voltage control which will make the gap even bigger... Wait until Thursday. tongue.gif
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Originally Posted by i7monkey View Post

Can anyone even explain without referring to other cards or "the market" why a single gpu flagship should cost $1000 in the first place???

If the hardware and performance justifies the price, then it's reasonable to be a $1000 card.

Same logic: Why are there $500,000 cars when we are forced to go 65MPH?
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Originally Posted by deafboy View Post

You guys complaining about prices is rediculous. The Titan isn't phasing out the 680s or the 780s. They're releasing it because they can and because they can make some money off of it. Enthusiasts wanted GK110 so they are delivering it to the enthusiasts. Doubt even at $1000 that they are making much money on it. Premium parts cost a premium.

Mainstream GPUs will remain ~600 and below. Not sure what the big deal is. Nothing for the mainstream is going to change.

Yay, someone who understands. thumb.gif
Edited by Murlocke - 2/19/13 at 11:05pm
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http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814132008

I'd say give the physical cut backs, and changes that $1000 is pretty damn cheap for GK110.
 
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post #783 of 1636
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Originally Posted by Mad Pistol View Post

The Titan has cooler casing made of aluminum...

Actually, I got nothing.

$800 would be reasonable (between the 680 and 690 performance-wise, AMD doesn't have a single-GPU card that can compete with it), but $1000 for a metal cooler casing seems a little bit much. Also, 6GB RAM is beyond overkill.

If I sell a product for $1k and every single one I build sells, guess what? It was worth $1k. Economics.
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Originally Posted by Mad Pistol View Post

The Titan has cooler casing made of aluminum...

Actually, I got nothing.

$800 would be reasonable (between the 680 and 690 performance-wise, AMD doesn't have a single-GPU card that can compete with it), but $1000 for a metal cooler casing seems a little bit much. Also, 6GB RAM is beyond overkill.

Performance wise not even close. Especially when you start adding more cards. That's the whole point.

6GB us beyond overkill for? VRAM is about to take a major hit whenever 4k monitors come into play. Heck even 7680x1600 can take advantage of the buffer if you start adding texture packs and mods. The whole card is overkill, that's the point.
 
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http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814132008

I'd say give the physical cut backs, and changes that $1000 is pretty damn cheap for GK110.

That $3500 gets you a workstation suite and support directly from nvidia. It's also used for commercial purposes, and anything used for commerce cannot be classified in the same realm as consumer products.

Nvidia was still making money on the GTX 580 @ $500. Keep that in perspective. thumb.gif
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Can anyone even explain without referring to other cards or "the market" why a single gpu flagship should cost $1000 in the first place???

Last I checked the GK110 had low yields didn't it? Maybe I'm wrong on that. Factor in the fact that it's low volume, high quality construction (nothing comes close to the quality of the 690 pcb and shroud/heatsink).

Also it really isn't the replacement to the 680, so why do people use that as a reference? The 690 still exists, the 680 isn't being replaced by Titan (780 is a ways away), so this is clearly not a product that fits into any of our hierarchy charts.
Ultra: 690
Flagship: 680
Performance: 670
etc etc

But now between them we have
Ultra: 690
NEW: Titan
Flagship: 680

Also am I the only one wondering why people are talking only about stock performance? With that new boost feature and voltage control we have a card that seems as if it should be a great clocker, stock or on water. I mean on the first page there was one person saying they hit 1167mhz on it, that's around 300mhz, about a 28%ish bump over stock. So if the benchmarks we've been seeing are stock, then Titan stands to really smash things when it's been overclocked.
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What do you want me to say, "Nvidia should just make Titan $200 so everybody can join the fun!" Doesn't work that way...

Implying that we're complaining because we can't afford it doesn't help your argument.

By your logic, when does the price become unreasonable? There's always going to be someone who can afford the "luxury". How about $1500 for GM100?

As long as there's no direct competition, they can charge whatever they want and it's perfectly reasonable so long as it's a "luxury" product?
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If I sell a product for $1k and every single one I build sells, guess what? It was worth $1k. Economics.

No it wasn't. It means that you were able to convince people of questionable intelligence that it was worth $1k. Apple sells iPhones for $800.
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Originally Posted by Mad Pistol View Post

That $3500 gets you a workstation suite and support directly from nvidia. It's also used for commercial purposes, and anything used for commerce cannot be classified in the same realm as consumer products.

Nvidia was still making money on the GTX 580 @ $500. Keep that in perspective. thumb.gif

And guess what, that's what the extra $2500 gets you. lol.

You can't compare the 580 to the Titan. Just not even the same level

If the Titan was phasing out t he 680 or even the 780 then sure. But it's not. Titan will remain their top single GPU in the consumer market for a while. This has already been discussed.
 
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Implying that we're complaining because we can't afford it doesn't help your argument.

By your logic, when does the price become unreasonable? There's always going to be someone who can afford the "luxury". How about $1500 for GM100?

As long as there's no direct competition, they can charge whatever they want and it's perfectly reasonable so long as it's a "luxury" product?
No it wasn't. It means that you were able to convince people of questionable intelligence that it was worth $1k. Apple sells iPhones for $800.

I really doubt NVIDIA is making much off each Titan sell... That's the problem with this whole logic. Look at the specs, their profit margins on Titan are probably smaller then 680s at $500.

You guys think NVIDIA makes these cards for $200 and then sells them for $1000? tongue.gif
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Originally Posted by th3illusiveman View Post

I feel soo bad for the future of the GPU industry after reading some of the things i've seen in this thread. thumbsdownsmileyanim.gif

the Titan is looking to be a really well made piece of tech put together by some brilliant engineers but Nvidia is setting a horrible precedent for what the future could hold in GPU advancement with it's pricing. Almost one year after we saw the increadible leap in performance from a 570 to 670 for around the same price, we get the same leap from a 680 to a TITAN for more than twice the price. The worst part is people are okay with it because they think it makes them unique little snowflakes doh.gif

Is the alternative - no new card at all - actually better? They will eventually sell a GTX 780, and if it is 20% faster than the GTX 680 they will probably sell it at the high-end price point, which is $500. The Titan doesn't change that. There may be a Titan 2 that also costs $1000, but your assumption is that they could/should have sold the GK110 chip as the $500 card. But that was never going to happen. So your choices are GK104/GK114 at $500 and nothing else, or GK104/GK114 at $500 and GK110/GK120 at $1000. How are those fundamentally different? You still get X performance at $500.

Your complaint is basically that Nvidia should be selling the GK110 as the GTX 680 but there is no indication that was ever going to happen, besides a bunch of Internet wishing.
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Originally Posted by Usario View Post

It means that you were able to convince people of questionable intelligence that it was worth $1k. Apple sells iPhones for $800.

You got one thing right - worth is determined by the buyer. Why can Coach charge $3000 for a handbag? Why can Tiffany's charge $25,000 for a ring? Why can Brietling charge $15,000 for a watch? Because people have decided they are worth it. Just like people have decided the Titan is worth $1000. Are all watches $15,000? All handbags $3,000? What part of "limited-edition" is so confusing? The Titan is not the mainstream part, so it doesn't have mainstream pricing. The 3970X is not the mainstream part, and it doesn't have mainstream pricing either. Does that mean all 6-core processors will be $1000 from now on?
Edited by Forceman - 2/19/13 at 11:13pm
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