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You're again referring to the market. Forget about the market and tell me why something should just double in price.

Come on people, I feel like you are trolling. It's not hard. The titan cost far more to make than a 680, so it's going to cost more.

They aren't making 680s and Titans for $100 each then selling Titans for $1000 and 680s for $500. Their profit margins on Titan are most likely LOWER than on 680s. I'm willing to bet Titans actually cost more to make then they sell 680s for. So they should sell a product at less than it costs to produce/research?
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Isn't it a throwaway actually? These are the lesser binned K20s that have no space sale space. Thus they are carving a market for it. If ppl start forking over the cash for this... who knows what they could dream up next? I sure don't.

Sure, but they are lesser binned from extremely expensive cards. If they have a special market, good for them, but why should that eat into their planned mainstream cards? Should they throw away years of R&D and planning just so we can't have a niche product? They could have easily just not released Titan and let it be. They had the cores, and had the demand, so why not sell it? Doesn't change anything else.


I don't think you are realizing what stroke of genius this is though. They have these lowly k20 cores with no market cuz they do not meet the tdp factors. What to do with them now? Nothing for a longtime. Holy cow, we can neuter the chips so they cannot challenge the real k20s, then sell them in an entirely different market space. It's brilliant if it works out however it's bad cuz they know they can get away with it. For the company it is a good plan obviously.
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Yes, and the 700 series cards will also be at the 500 price point but will perform worse than Titan. And your point is?

You don't get it.

GF110 was $500.

GK110 is $1000.

What's wrong with this picture?


GK110 is not some magical super chip from the land of unicorns. It's Kepler in its big-die form. There's nothing special about it, regardless of what most people on these forums think. It's a good chip, but the card IS NOT WORTH $1000, EVEN COMPARED TO THE CURRENT GK104 GTX 680!!!!
Edited by Mad Pistol - 2/19/13 at 11:31pm
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You're again referring to the market. Forget about the market and tell me why something should just double in price.

Come on people, I feel like you are trolling. It's not hard. The titan cost far more to make than a 680, so it's going to cost more.

They aren't making 680s and Titans for $100 each then selling Titans for $1000 and 680s for $500. Their profit margins on Titan are most likely LOWER than on 680s. I'm willing to bet Titans actually cost more to make then they sell 680s for. So they should sell a product at less than it costs to produce/research?

I'm willing to bet that if that's true it's solely because of the fancy HSF.

As Mad Pistol said, GF110 was $500. GK110 is $1000.

Maybe all those people crying about GK104 supposedly being worth $300 were actually on to something after all.
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I don't think you are realizing what stroke of genius this is though. They have these lowly k20 cores with no market cuz they do not meet the tdp factors. What to do with them now? Nothing for a longtime. Holy cow, we can neuter the chips so they cannot challenge the real k20s, then sell them in an entirely different market space. It's brilliant if it works out however it's bad cuz they know they can get away with it. For the company it is a good plan obviously.

Yes, it's brilliant on their part. And I don't see why they shouldn't do it. Win-win.
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You don't get it.

GF110 was $500.

GK110 is $1000.

What's wrong with this picture?

That they have an awesome naming convention?

Regardless, GK110 isn't mainstream and GF110 was.

You want GK110 to be $500? Then they just destroyed their next years earnings. And then they will be SOL.
 
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You don't get it.

GF110 was $500.

GK110 is $1000.

What's wrong with this picture?


GK110 is not some magical super chip from the land of unicorns. It's Kepler in its big-die form. There's nothing special about it, regardless of what most people on these forums think.

Why do you think Nvidia is doing this? Maybe they weren't happy having sold GF110 for $500? Are you saying they don't have the right to change their pricing however they see fit? Maybe they've decided they no longer wish to put large die, expensive to manufacture GPU's into mainsteam cards. Thus they carve out a whole new marketplace at the top end reserved for compute designed GPU's and make the mainstream cards with, you know, mainstream processors...
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Originally Posted by Mad Pistol View Post

You don't get it.

GF110 was $500.

GK110 is $1000.

What's wrong with this picture?


GK110 is not some magical super chip from the land of unicorns. It's Kepler in its big-die form. There's nothing special about it, regardless of what most people on these forums think. It's a good chip, but the card IS NOT WORTH $1000, EVEN COMPARED TO THE CURRENT GK104 GTX 680!!!!

For the 100th time (don't know why i'm still bothering).

It is worth what a person is willing to pay! If it's not worth it to you then don't buy it and stop trolling the threads. Stop trying to spread your opinion as fact. People who are going to buy the card, will. People that aren't going to buy the card, won't. It's an extremely niche card.

P.S. Naming Convention means nothing. You have to be trolling...
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I'm willing to bet that if that's true it's solely because of the fancy HSF.

I do agree there, I have no doubt they could of made a 2GB Titan with a worse cooler for $750 and still profited on it. With the current Titan specs though, I can't see them making much of a profit even at $1000. The majority of that will be making the card, then they sell them in bulk so they don't even get $1000/card.
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That they have an awesome naming convention?

Regardless, GK110 isn't mainstream and GF110 was.

You want GK110 to be $500? Then they just destroyed their next years earnings. And then they will be SOL.

GF110 was mainstream because NVIDIA decided it's worth $500. GK110 isn't mainstream because NVIDIA wanted to charge more.

That's your logic.

GF110 and GK110 are very similar as far as classification goes. Giant >500mm^2 dies, the fastest performing of their generation, 384-bit bus, 48 ROPs, etc...

Please explain to me how you know that GK110 is somehow anywhere near twice as costly to produce as GF110.
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Originally Posted by Mad Pistol View Post

You don't get it.

GF110 was $500.

GK110 is $1000.

What's wrong with this picture?


GK110 is not some magical super chip from the land of unicorns. It's Kepler in its big-die form. There's nothing special about it, regardless of what most people on these forums think. It's a good chip, but the card IS NOT WORTH $1000, EVEN COMPARED TO THE CURRENT GK104 GTX 680!!!!

For the 100th time (don't know why i'm still bothering).

It is worth what a person is willing to pay! If it's not worth it to you then don't buy it and stop trolling the threads. Stop trying to spread your opinion as fact. People who are going to buy the card, will. People that aren't going to buy the card, won't. It's an extremely niche card.

P.S. Naming Convention means nothing. You have to be trolling...

So if someone was actually willing to pay $400 for a GTX 260 after the $300 4870 was released, that's perfectly logical and deserves no criticism?
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Price of stuff is going up... deal with it.

Gold has gone up
Copper has gone up
Silver has gone up
Oil has gone up
Everything has gone up.

High end products are going to cost money.

Gold over 30 years:


We had a nice chunk in time where tech was cheap and a lot of tech still is but with companies moving away from certain things. Niche, ethusiast, NON MAINSTREAM items are going to be expensive.
 
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Yes, it's brilliant on their part. And I don't see why they shouldn't do it. Win-win.
That they have an awesome naming convention?

Regardless, GK110 isn't mainstream and GF110 was.

No and no.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814133347 <- GTX 580 in quadro form

Have you done any research on this?
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