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Breaking news everybody. You don't have to buy a Titan. But please stop flooding this thread with reasons why you won't buy it or mostly simply can't afford it. We are all sorry for you and wish you could join the fun. But thats life. Since Ive joined the PC gaming world one thing immediately stood out. Its fairly cheap to have the best of whats available compared to other electronic or entertaiment hobbies. Do you have any idea what it cost to have the best home audio speakers or amp? Hundreds of thousands of dollars. Or how about the best projector for a home theater. Try 150 grand. A thousand dollar gpu is nothing especially since its giving you the best. We are extremely fortunate to have the best be so affordable. It could be much much worse.

This is a really good example. You can drop $20,000 grand on a home theater and still not be considered "high end" to many people over on AVSForums. You got people over there dropping $150,000 on electronics, then another $100,000 on construction, then another $10,000 on furniture.

What's sad is, after a certain point you are paying thousands of dollars for a less than 1% performance difference. Speakers drop off after about 2 grand, and your price/performance ratio gets insane... yet people still feel the need to spend $25,000 on speakers to get slightly better performance than $5,000 speakers..
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Anybody who supports the Titan pricing at USD 1000 should not complain or change stance if the Maxwell GM104 launches at USD 1000. and also when the GM110 launches at USD 2000 and the gen after Maxwell at USD 2000 / USD 4000 and so on tongue.gif
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So I want to change the subject since this is a legitimate question, if voltage is locked at 1.2v from now till the end of time, would you buy this card?

The reason I ask is because do we all remember when the hoopla surrounding nvidia chastising aib partners for allowing over voltage on the 680?

Remember nvidias official response? Basically they let it known that if aib partners want to go beyond nvidia's comfort zone, they must take on responsibility for rma/failed chips.

I would not be surprised if you don't see a single titan come out any time soon that allows over 1.2v.

It actually makes sense, nvidia has made it clear they only support 1.2v on the titan and it is up to aibs to make the judgement... but at what cost? Rma support from nvidia (and maybe getting less trays, haha)
     
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So high end watches and supercars should cost the same as a casio and a civic?

Anyways, I'm done. You guys can keep thinking what you would like to.

Expensive watches are expensive because they're made with precious metals that are expensive. They cost a lot of money to produce and therefore cost a lot of money.

Supercars cost a lot because 1) they cost a lot to produce and 2) for the intended market (people who can actually drive that fast) they are worth the premium.
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post #855 of 1636
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So high end watches and supercars should cost the same as a casio and a civic?

Anyways, I'm done. You guys can keep thinking what you would like to.

Slapping a high price on something doesn't automatically make it "high end".

If I sold you a bag of dollar store potato chips for $100, it doesn't make the chips any better, it just means you're foolish enough to buy a bag of chips for a hundred bucks.
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I do know, I was just being rhetorical. Nvidia knows goofballs are willing to fork over a thousand for it and they know AMD's got nothing up their sleeve.

hail common sense thumb.gif Anybody defending Nvidia's pricing knows nothing about pure old fashioned competition or pretends to not know. There is nothing justifiable about Nvidia's pricing. Its just a company acting in its best interests at the cost of the consumer due to lack of competition. that last sentence seemed to form well. biggrin.gif
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I can't believe how many pages of people moaning about the pricing has gone on for. If you don't like it, don't buy it. Jesus christ it's as if Nvidia released the Kraken all over this thread.

It isn't a replacement to the 680, so it's not priced as such (you have your 780 coming later so enough of that argument). The arguments about big kepler little kepler blah blah blah is just as tired. I don't know how much extra it costs to add 3 more gb of ram, and i don't know if any of us really do. I also know that the 580 was nowhere near the finish of the titan in terms of materials, quality, or design. How much they sell it for doesn't matter, it's a halo product; meant to be ridiculous and excessive for those that want it. The 780 is still coming, and it'll probably be a good deal cheaper than the titan, so you'll get your replacement as well.

Also for people using that dumb example of old nintendo games; a Ferrari in the early 80s cost around $50-60k. Today a new F12 Berlinetta is in the low to mid $300k range. Perfect example because it's meant to be ridiculous and over the top. It is in no way 10 times faster, more comfortable or anything than a $30k mustang, but it still commands that premium. Why? Because people like exclusivity, extravagance, and performance, and some are willing to pay for it. Stop trying to rationalize it from your point of view only and take the broader perspective in.
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hail common sense thumb.gif Anybody defending Nvidia's pricing knows nothing about pure old fashioned competition or pretends to not know. There is nothing justifiable about Nvidia's pricing. Its just a company acting in its best interests at the cost of the consumer due to lack of competition. that last sentence seemed to form well. biggrin.gif

You know, some stalker-type person really should look at the posting history of these people defending NVIDIA and see what their reaction to the 7970's $550 launch price was... tongue.gif
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Some of comments really baffle me here, reason being:

NVIDIA isn't removing the 660, 670 or 680 from the market - you are not being forced to buy anything here. Do not assume a precedent is being set - this is the flow down of a $3200 high end workstation card

Comparisons of dual GPU to single GPU must not be purely based on performance numbers. Having had 280 TRI SLI and 5970 Crossfire in the past I have come to factor in driver support/issues, application support/issues, temperature, noise and power consumption into what I believe a single GPU product is worth

With 6GB of VRAM and a fast memory architecture this card is obviously going to fare better comparitevley to 7970/680/690 at triple monitor resolutions, and is aimed at such configurations. If at 7860x1600 the card performs close to or better than the 690, what will the value bashers have to say? If you were interested on buying this and you use 1080/1200P - what did you think all that VRAM would do for you exactly?

GPGPU performance - a product like this will be considered by many for beyond gaming purposes. The increase in GPGPU performance here vs 680/690 will be large due to the amount of cores and high clock speed. Will be interesting to see how this stacks up to AMD products in this area

Now if you game at 1080P like me and have no need for GPGPU performance its not rocket science - stick to sli/crossfire products of the existing cards. This product simply isnt designed for us - no need for the negativity
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Anybody who supports the Titan pricing at USD 1000 should not complain or change stance if the Maxwell GM104 launches at USD 1000. and also when the GM110 launches at USD 2000 and the gen after Maxwell at USD 2000 / USD 4000 and so on tongue.gif

If the performance beats the $500 card at that time by a large margin, I will back up a $1000 price tag on it. If it's ~15% faster, like what we saw with the 580 to 680, I wouldn't. You guys still aren't understanding that this card shouldn't affect mainstream cards at all. The 780 is the successor for the 680, will be 15-20% faster, and will be priced accordingly... just wait for it if you don't want to drop $1000. biggrin.gif

The worst that could happen is that we see 15-20% increase each year to the $500 range of cards (seems pretty normal judging by last 2 generations), and $15-20% increases to the $1000 range of cards. All progress is good in my opinion, but I don't ever see them going above $1000 for a reference card. I don't really even see them releasing another $1000 card for a few years. I would expect the GTX 880 in 2014ish to be the first single GPU card to beat Titan, and be priced at about $500.

This card is an exception in my opinion, but that's speculation on my part (and yours).
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Slapping a high price on something doesn't automatically make it "high end".

If I sold you a bag of dollar store potato chips for $100, it doesn't make the chips any better, it just means you're foolish enough to buy a bag of chips for a hundred bucks.

When you guys can prove NVIDIA is producing these for well under $1000, and making massives profits off of it.. I will agree. Until then, I'm going to look at the specs and see why they are priced as they are. The cards are not cheap to make, and I don't feel they are profiting that much off of them.
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Some of comments really baffle me here, reason being:

NVIDIA isn't removing the 660, 670 or 680 from the market - you are not being forced to buy anything here. Do not assume a precedent is being set - this is the flow down of a $3200 high end workstation card

Comparisons of dual GPU to single GPU must not be purely based on performance numbers. Having had 280 TRI SLI and 5970 Crossfire in the past I have come to factor in driver support/issues, application support/issues, temperature, noise and power consumption into what I believe a single GPU product is worth

With 6GB of VRAM and a fast memory architecture this card is obviously going to fare better comparitevley to 7970/680/690 at triple monitor resolutions, and is aimed at such configurations. If at 7860x1600 the card performs close to or better than the 690, what will the value bashers have to say? If you were interested on buying this and you use 1080/1200P - what did you think all that VRAM would do for you exactly?

GPGPU performance - a product like this will be considered by many for beyond gaming purposes. The increase in GPGPU performance here vs 680/690 will be large due to the amount of cores and high clock speed. Will be interesting to see how this stacks up to AMD products in this area

Now if you game at 1080P like me and have no need for GPGPU performance its not rocket science - stick to sli/crossfire products of the existing cards. This product simply isnt designed for us - no need for the negativity

Welcome to the forums, you should stick around.. I like you.

I'm getting one for 1080p, just because I don't like SLI/CF.. but you are correct. Your average person will get better price/performance out of an SLI/CF solution most likely.
Edited by Murlocke - 2/20/13 at 12:22am
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