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its all hersey. its all hype. as long as people pay into the high prices, they will make it and profit. until people stand up and say :hey hang on a sec this is insane", things will continue to climb.

this end of overclocking ect has the mojority of people running 1-2 gpu's. which these people i do not see spending $2000 to go sli. i see them purchasing the older models like the 670 and so on once the price drops and staying behind things a little on what they can afford. and i will be in this boat. no way on this planet i will try and redo my tri-sli setup with $3000 in graphics cards. i have $2000 into the cards i have now. ill just buy a 4th card and be set for years to come.

until they start making things that can utalize the progression of these new techs im staying where i am. im not competing in benchmarks to the point where i need to spend that much money on new equipment when the stuff i have now works perfectly for everything i do with it. games, video ect.

people need to recognize these prices are getting stupid insane. i dont care WHAT tech is in that card. no way is it worth $1000 per card.

You locked yourself into a Tri-SLI setup. That's a huge investment to get out of, and it's one of the reasons why I stay away from SLI. A 4th 580 would scale incredibly bad, it's not even worth it. I've even seen cases where you get worse performance with 4 cards.

You claim $2000 invested into your 3x 580s. 2 Titans for the same price would likely match 4x 580s because Quad SLI scales no where near 100%. It would also be drawing MUCH less power, producing MUCH less heat and noise, and overclock better.

Wait for the reviews. If I had 3x 580s, I would wait and replace them with 3x 780s for probably around $1500. This card is not a successor to the 580/680 line, and you shouldn't be expecting it to be priced the same.
Edited by Murlocke - 2/20/13 at 3:39am
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but why would i invest in that amount of money when nobody knows 1) the performance gains that will be seen from these, and 2) when nothing out can even completly utalize what i have now? i do not see a single game coming out that will make me not have enough gpu power behind what i have now. this is the reason i didnt go to the 680's. i see not a single reason i should stray from the 580's at this moment.

what actually out now uses pci-3.0? thats worth me spending that much? what out now uses support for a 4k monitor? nothing. i see absolutely no point int his price point. not being thick headed either. idk maybe its just me. but all this hype seems to be just E-Peens. thats it
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but why would i invest in that amount of money when nobody knows 1) the performance gains that will be seen from these, and 2) when nothing out can even completly utalize what i have now? i do not see a single game coming out that will make me not have enough gpu power behind what i have now. this is the reason i didnt go to the 680's. i see not a single reason i should stray from the 580's at this moment.

what actually out now uses pci-3.0? thats worth me spending that much? what out now uses support for a 4k monitor? nothing. i see absolutely no point int his price point. not being thick headed either. idk maybe its just me. but all this hype seems to be just E-Peens. thats it

Of course your current GPUs will max everything, not everyone has $1500-$2000 in GPUs like yourself. The 580s are still good cards. For people who haven't upgraded recently, on a Single GPU, or on older SLI configs... Titan is a pretty viable upgrade. You will be hard pressed finding an upgrade for $2000 worth of GPUs unless you are willing to spend $2000 again, that's generally how it works unless you wait a few generations, and as you said your computer is perfectly fine right now.

You have to remember this is not a gaming forum, and many people here buy hardware for benchmarking, overclocking, and just messing around. Sure, most people here play games.. but some people will buy this even if their current computer maxes games.

By the way, there no way you could invest money into a Titan right now anyway, where would you buy it? NDA doesn't lift until Thursday and cards won't be in stores until (rumored) 25th. By then you will know the performance results on the card and make your decision. You will likely need to wait until 780s and buy 3 of them to get a decent upgrade.
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It's definitely not for most. Some people like very high FPS and/or resolution and anyone running lots of pixels can easily see why some would want a card like this. Whether it is worth $1k to me will be told in how well it performs OC'ed and how high I can expect to OC it.

People that run 1080p or less at 60hz or less probably wouldn't see a real benefit, but breach either of those figures or both at the same time and the story changes.
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but why would i invest in that amount of money when nobody knows 1) the performance gains that will be seen from these, and 2) when nothing out can even completly utalize what i have now? i do not see a single game coming out that will make me not have enough gpu power behind what i have now. this is the reason i didnt go to the 680's. i see not a single reason i should stray from the 580's at this moment.

what actually out now uses pci-3.0? thats worth me spending that much? what out now uses support for a 4k monitor? nothing. i see absolutely no point int his price point. not being thick headed either. idk maybe its just me. but all this hype seems to be just E-Peens. thats it

I think people are thinking about Titan in the wrong light though.

Titan is not only a gaming card, it is also a GPGPU monster and everyone seems to be forgetting this. Its funny it came out back when the 680 first launched for the 7970 vs 680 debate when everyone was saying "But the 7970 has better compute performance blah blah". But yet in this scenario, everyone is neglecting the fact that not only does Titan obliterate the 680/7970 in raster performance (40% is an obliteration) BUT it will also obliterate BOTH the 680 and 7970 in compute performance.

Titan is perfect for someone who games but also does CAD work (like myself) as its a no compromise GPU. You get insane raster performance and insane GPGPU performance all in the one, efficient package. Seeing as Titan only uses about 20-30w more than the 7970GE (based on TDP) and performs so much better, its the perfect choice for someone that games and does CAD work as its power efficient, and packs a mighty punch.

People need to stop neglecting the GPGPU side of things. If you just want to game, Titan is not for you. Get a 680/7970. If you game at high resolution and do CAD work and work with huge texture files etc, then Titan is worth every cent.
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It's definitely not for most. Some people like very high FPS and/or resolution and anyone running lots of pixels can easily see why some would want a card like this. Whether it is worth $1k to me will be told in how well it performs OC'ed and how high I can expect to OC it.

People that run 1080p or less at 60hz or less probably wouldn't see a real benefit, but breach either of those figures or both at the same time and the story changes.

Some of these new games are really starting to eat at my 680 even at 1080p, and with the new consoles coming out probably sometime this year we will probably see some decent advancements in graphics soon. Far Cry 3 with 4x MSAA gives me 30s at times and I fully expect Crysis 3 to destroy a single 680 even at 1080p when AA/AF is applied. I am picky, I want a solid 60FPS 99% of the time. tongue.gif

The main reason i'm buying this card is because it is very future proof for 1080p 60hz.. I don't see this getting less than 60FPS in any games but Metro 2033 (coding limitations), and Crysis 3 for quite some time. biggrin.gif
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could just be me but i still cannot wrap my brain around $1000 price tag. even seeing what it will do when used 100 percent. there has to be a line drawn by the consumer to stop the price hikes. it isnt even just in computer stuff either. everything is getting way out of hand.

and until i see real world results from people using them in every day situations that 40% number will just be speculation to me. i do benchmark. i bench the crap out of the rig i have now. but if this is the kind of money i have to pay to keep up. ill bow out. the price tag on this thing is a mortgage payment for me. how is that justifiable?
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Which is still sad for AMD then. They have the betetr performing cards for the same money or lower money and still cannot win.

 

Service and support is also part of the product (what you pay for). It's hardly sad for AMD that it is in that position. Besides AMD has a lot of fanboys or underdog supporters as well (especially in Asia). I think we as consumers are sad, these companies only want to kill your wallet anyways. Fermi also wasn't sad for nVidia, we just got more silicon for a lower price. If AMD really wanted more attention or better rep in the media they'd probably hurry up with their HD8k series. Economics first ;)

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So I want to change the subject since this is a legitimate question, if voltage is locked at 1.2v from now till the end of time, would you buy this card?

The reason I ask is because do we all remember when the hoopla surrounding nvidia chastising aib partners for allowing over voltage on the 680?

Remember nvidias official response? Basically they let it known that if aib partners want to go beyond nvidia's comfort zone, they must take on responsibility for rma/failed chips.

I would not be surprised if you don't see a single titan come out any time soon that allows over 1.2v.

It actually makes sense, nvidia has made it clear they only support 1.2v on the titan and it is up to aibs to make the judgement... but at what cost? Rma support from nvidia (and maybe getting less trays, haha)

A 300mhz overclock by itself on a $999 GPU is pretty good. So no, I don't have a problem with 1.2v being the ceiling. I feel it could be higher For watercoolers but after the 600 series and voltage, it's an improvement and a step in the right direction.
    
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Once again we are stuck in an infinite loop with one group saying they are willing to pay $1000 for 40-45% better performance, aluminum build, vapour chamber, lower noise than GTX 680, unlocked voltage for overclocking, GPU Boost 2.0 which is exclusive for Titan and let the GPU turbo boost easily over 1GHz making it better and better depending on what effective cooling you have. Then we have the other group saying that these points doesn`t matter to them, plastic fantastic is great, performance is everything and it better come out cheap or else they won`t buy it. They live by their golden rule price/performance. Not much to argue against here, just as valid as the first group.

And around and around we go. Stuck with our own opinions, doing as best we can to try to argue why this or that is better. And we do not realize that this is just nature revealing itself: People are different.
Edited by Cloudfire777 - 2/20/13 at 4:21am
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