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Titan@1176Mhz/7000Mhz vs GTX 680 @1256Mhz/7200Mhz



Titan@1176Mhz/7000Mhz vs GTX 690 @1200Mhz/7000Mhz

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Originally Posted by Stay Puft View Post

Power consumption is irrelevant

It can consume 75 75 150 so 300W max after that OC's are out of specs of both 6pin 8pin and pci-e specs.
So not so irrelevant as one might think.
I don't care how much it consumes but I don't want it to fry my board or my psu.

Why did you link to a chart which takes in system power consumption better deduct system usage...
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Originally Posted by maarten12100 View Post

It can consume 75 75 150 so 300W max after that OC's are out of specs of both 6pin 8pin and pci-e specs.
So not so irrelevant as one might think.
I don't care how much it consumes but I don't want it to fry my board or my psu.

Why did you link to a chart which takes in system power consumption better deduct system usage...

7970 has an 8 and a 6 pin so it's out of spec as well according to that chart
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7970 has an 8 and a 6 pin so it's out of spec as well according to that chart
No because they measure the entire system usage a hd7970 consuming more than 300W is just a joke.

Behold the bringer of light!
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7970 has an 8 and a 6 pin so it's out of spec as well according to that chart
Some have 2 8-Pins
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No because they measure the entire system usage a hd7970 consuming more than 300W is just a joke.

Behold the bringer of light!

For some reason i thought it was just card consumption that i posted. I haven't had my coffee yet
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For some reason i thought it was just card consumption that i posted. I haven't had my coffee yet

Here you go my good sir. Fresh from Brazil.
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Wow... took me forever to read through this thread. As someone who still is more likely than not ($999 is at my limit), frankly I'm amazed at the huge amount of animosity towards those considering purchase a Titan while no one seems to bat an eye if the same person posts they intend to purchase a GTX690 at the same price. Why is "there's only one GPU" so important if it offers roughly the same gaming performance of a GTX690 AND other benefits? JMO, but whether via one, two or five, the number of GPUs is meaningless if performance and price are almost equivalent. Most, if not all, reviews discuss price/performance, but I've never seen "# GPUs/price" enter the discussion. Actually, I would think fewer GPUs for same price & peformance is better. We'll know a lot more in a day or so (thankfully), but given the OC headroom indicated so far, my bet is that a "reasonably" OC'd Titan ("reasonably" = an OC most owners could expect to achieve with a stock card rather than an exceptional OC due to lucky bin) will give 95% gaming performance of a reasonably OC'd GTX690 at 1600p (maybe even 1440p) and higher resolutions. Under that assumption, I just can't understand the logic behind the argument that buying a Titan is a "bad idea", "foolish waste of money", etc. and yet buying a GTX 690 is just fine simply because there are two GPUs.

As for "endorsing a ridiculous price", that argument could be made about many things. How about those who pay, $100k, $200k or more for a car? Should they be blamed for price increases in automobiles in general? You could make the same argument for anyone who buys a 4k monitor today. "Hey, you're saying it's okay to spend $3000/$4000 (whatever those things cost) on a SINGLE monitor!" Do I LIKE the fact Nvidia set the MSRP at $999? H*** NO! I'd much rather have it be $900, if not $800, if not $700... if not $1. OK, $1 is obviously utterly unrealistic, but as far as I'm concerned, whether it's a a Titan, a car, or even an electric toothbrush, the less the particular desired item costs, the better. Frankly, $100 or so extra for adding 2GB of VRAM on a GTX680 seems exorbitant to me. So should I complain about those willing to pay the extra money are "endorsing ridiculous mark ups for extra VRAM"? One major reason I didn't buy a GTX680 was the relatively low GPU computing power. Should I complain about all those who bought GTX 680s/670s "endorsing Nvidia's decision to markedly cut back GPU computing power" on the 600 series relative to the 500 series? Seriously, that's a disturbing trend for me, and one which may not change with Maxwell and beyond. I could easily give other examples.

Again, I do NOT like the $999 list price. Frankly, I'm disappointed (albeit not surprised) that MSRP isn't $899 (or even less), but it is what it is. I couldn't care less about "exclusivity." I want xyz features & performance in a single GPU design (again, SLI/Crossfire doesn't work for everyone). If there was a cheaper alternative that met my needs, I would gladly take it. Unfortunately, as far as I can tell there isn't, and I doubt there will be until Maxwell. Even if the GTX780 is released in April or May, my guess is that as a refresh at the same die size, it will give about a 15% performance improvement over the GTX680. More importantly, I strongly suspect the GTX780 will have the same GPU compute limitations as on the GTX680. Unfortunately, the image and video editing/encoding software I use do not work (or work well) with Radeon cards. Unless that changes (possible, but hasn't so far), I'm kind of stuck with NVIDIA. GPU computing makes too much of a difference to give up. Otherwise, I probably would already own a 7970GHz Ed as a "stop gap" card until Maxwell. So rather than a "stupid waste of money", etc., for me buying a Titan seems to make more sense than any other currently available (or soon to be available) alternative. If my analysis is wrong, I'm open to suggestions.

On a different topic, I would very much appreciate any information, especially from those who have Titan test samples, on the following two questions: (1) 99% sure it's not the case, but can the Titan output at 10bit color; and (2) What's overclocking like with the GPU compute "enabled"? From what I've seen, the boost clock is disabled with that setting, but if you OC the base clock, does that OC remain as long as temps are within set limits? Thanks.
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The issue is not the price of the Titan, at least not relatively. The issue is that the GTX 690 costs the same as the Titan, and the 690, which has been on the market now for over half a year, is still considerably quicker.

The problem is that nvidia is gouging itself by pricing the Titan at $1k. Nvidia already has a card at the $1k price point, and it already happens to be a faster card. That means the Titan's price point simply does not make sense. At least at $900, the GTX 690 still has its place as the fastest and most expensive card in nvidia's consumer lineup. Since the Titan will be $1000, it's going to make the GTX 690 the fastest, but it will be tied for most expensive. Who in their right mind would choose a Titan over a 690 when both cards are priced the same and the 690 is faster?

Yes, I realize that the performance scaling on multi-card setups for the Titan is going to be awesome. The Titan makes a case for itself in that case... or does it? Now we cross into a paradox a la Fermi where Fermi cards were great for multi-monitor setups... that is, if you bought a second card. By itself, a GTX 4xx/5xx card could not drive 3 monitors. Only with a second card could you drive 3 monitors simultaneously. The Fermi paradox now crosses into Big Kepler: Titan is only a good value if you buy 2 cards.

Am I the only one that really understands what nvidia is doing here? It does not take a rocket scientist to see that Nvidia is playing this market like a soap opera; reactionary economics at its finest. It worked for Fermi... it will work for Big Kepler too. wink.gif

It's a mistake to buy any Titan GPU's. Doing this will give nvidia the green light to continue to make their best single-GPU flagship into a $1k card. That makes the dual-GPU card $2k in a couple generations... $2k for a single consumer graphics card. Those of you that see Titan as a "status symbol" need to turn on the lights. You're buying a graphics card, not a sports car. Most people don't even know what a graphics card is, let along what a Geforce Titan is. If you're buying it for the status, you're doing it wrong. In fact, if you're buying it PERIOD, you're doing it wrong. The 690 makes a case for itself, but the Titan? The Titan is an abomination to high-end graphics cards at the $1000 price point.

Food for thought. Be careful what you wish for. wink.gif

I would like to address this because although, you had good intentions, you're missing a tremendous amount of information about this card.

This card, wasn't meant for the commercial buyer.

The ultimate reality of this "offering" is that it wasn't meant for you and me, thus the price-point.

This card was aimed at researchers and actually follows a line of currently available Tesla products that are really only available to the private sector.

Titan was a way that Nvidia could publicly release this product and give it at a price point to those that would have need of it.

It just so happens that, it performs, well but, once again, this wasn't their entire focus.

This card wasn't meant to be a gaming rig, primary/secondary card -- They just ultimately decided since it performed so well, they could make a few more bucks...And they are.

Largely, you won't see this card in people's rigs because, contrary to popular belief, the 7 series samples went out in Q4 so...We're not jumping all of Titan for a reason...But, some will...You will however, see this card in mass in universities, doctors offices, businesses...In fact, to my knowledge, just based on pre-orders and other contracts, Alpha/Beta are sold out, and they're now on Gamma/Delta.

So while some people here, will buy this card to game on, they're doing so blindly where as those whom need this card, will buy it at it's price-point because the next cheapest card AIMED at their market is about $2500-$3000.

I've been in this business now for about 9 years and experience has taught me that people are ready/willing even in a bad economy, to throw their money away faster then it comes in. Some here will use this card as a "status symbol", brag that they have it...Then complain when the 780 comes out because it's almost equal performance for half the price. - Then the cycle will repeat and repeat and repeat.
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I would like to address this because although, you had good intentions, you're missing a tremendous amount of information about this card.

This card, wasn't meant for the commercial buyer.

The ultimate reality of this "offering" is that it wasn't meant for you and me, thus the price-point.

This card was aimed at researchers and actually follows a line of currently available Tesla products that are really only available to the private sector.

Titan was a way that Nvidia could publicly release this product and give it at a price point to those that would have need of it.

It just so happens that, it performs, well but, once again, this wasn't their entire focus.

This card wasn't meant to be a gaming rig, primary/secondary card -- They just ultimately decided since it performed so well, they could make a few more bucks...And they are.

Largely, you won't see this card in people's rigs because, contrary to popular belief, the 7 series samples went out in Q4 so...We're not jumping all of Titan for a reason...But, some will...You will however, see this card in mass in universities, doctors offices, businesses...In fact, to my knowledge, just based on pre-orders and other contracts, Alpha/Beta are sold out, and they're now on Gamma/Delta.

So while some people here, will buy this card to game on, they're doing so blindly where as those whom need this card, will buy it at it's price-point because the next cheapest card AIMED at their market is about $2500-$3000.

I've been in this business now for about 9 years and experience has taught me that people are ready/willing even in a bad economy, to throw their money away faster then it comes in. Some here will use this card as a "status symbol", brag that they have it...Then complain when the 780 comes out because it's almost equal performance for half the price. - Then the cycle will repeat and repeat and repeat.

This card cost so much money when i threw it at my screen it broke frown.gif
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