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post #11 of 33
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As for the 650w Silverstone Gold PSU, Yes it's 140mm in depth, but it's only the 650w. The higher Watt versions are all 180mm. 650w is not enough to power overclocked I7-3770k + 2 overclocked 660Ti cards plus a 2TB 7200 rpm Seagate Drive. Everyone I've talked to and most of the overclock articles I've read say 750 minimum for that setup. Or am I completely wrong on this?

660Ti has a TDP of 150W. which puts a pair of them at 300W
the 3770k has a TDP of 77W
so... you are looking at a max synthetic load of 377W. considering you will never reach synthetic load in normal gaming... you can OC everything and still only reach MAYBE 400W in "realistic" gaming load. you throw in another 50W draw for everything else in the box you are looking at a max gaming load of 450W. (hence why SFX PSU doesn't go higher). if you have a killowatt meter, you can measure your machine at the wall and see EXACTLY what you are actually pulling during gaming...

so yah... i'd say a high quality 650W unit like a seasonic X would provide more then OVERKILL for your rig smile.gif if you dont believe my math, send a PM to original sin who is the PSU editor of OCN and ask him directly biggrin.gif don't believe the kilowatt PSU hype. just look at the actual draw from the wall. it doesn't lie smile.gif when it comes to PSU, quality is FAR more important then the rated wattage because a high quality unit can ACTUALLY deliver the rated wattage w/o sagging or spikes. most of your sources are uneducated rumors propagated by those don't know any better and cant do math entirely biggrin.gif
post #12 of 33
SG03? its a tad smaller then the sg09 in terms of volume and it will do 2 cards and no PSU restriction however you do for CPU cooling and its something a AIO watercooler would solve. only thing you need to do is a blow hole mod or a slot fan.

i've previously ran an i7 920 and 5870CF in one and it seemed decent

im pretty sure you can mount a H100 in the SG03 though it may have impact on GPU length and PSU length and the sacrifice of a HDD bay(or not)
Edited by akromatic - 2/19/13 at 5:08pm
post #13 of 33
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Thanks for the response and info Psyclum.

I checked out available 650w PSUs from Seasonic, Silverstone, and others. Sadly, however, none of them, come with the needed Four PCI-E 6 pin connectors. The most they offer are two. But the good / not so good news is that I did find a Coolmaster GX-750 that is 150x140x86mm which will work in the case. Unfortunately it is only a mediocre PSU with so-so reviews. But since it's a 750 (initially anyway) It should be able to handle the 2 video cards, processor and 2TB HD even though its not as efficient as the better ones from Seasonic. The other issue is that there seems to be an old version of this PSU and a new one. Some stats say it has only 2 PCI-E connections and other stats say it has 4 and is SLI ready. Still trying to confirm this though.

Also, just to clear up a few things I obviously left out concerning my proposed build. Here are a few notes on what I'm doing:


1) The whole upper level Heatsink / DVD plate will not be used. The entire area over the cpu and DVD Drive position will be clear.
1) The ATX PSU will be fitted along the upper vent hole area over the cpu with its exhaust facing the back panel and its intake fan over the cpu area. The Cables will be facing toward the front panel where the DVD drive might go.
2) The DVD is still an option because the cables have to go somewhere and that space is the only place they can bunch up.
3) I intend to cut and seal off the cables I dont need from the PSU plus shorten and crimp any existing connectors that are too long.
4) Since the clearance from the CPU to the intake fan of the PSU is about 1 1/4 inches, I have to make sure the Waterblock is a low profile one. I'll have to remeasure the Corsair 60. If it's too high, then I'll have to find a different one to use. Any suggestions would be most appreciated.
post #14 of 33
U could consider the In Win Dragon Slayer. Has alot of cooling options and it will fit up to a 850w psu with no problems.

Using this case myself for my mATX build and it works really well.
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post #15 of 33
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Thanks, I have seen it, and it is a nice case. My goal though, is still trying to find a case that is similar in size to the in win BK623. Strictly for the purposes of trying to get an SLI setup in the smallest case size possible.
post #16 of 33
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That's a good case, too. I've looked at most of the newest cases coming out as well. But I really want to stay away from Computer Bricks. Just a personal thing. I like my cases slim and small. If there can be such a thing in SLI I mean.
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That's a good case, too. I've looked at most of the newest cases coming out as well. But I really want to stay away from Computer Bricks. Just a personal thing. I like my cases slim and small. If there can be such a thing in SLI I mean.

it will be hard to do SLI with anything smaller then SG03
post #18 of 33
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I checked out available 650w PSUs from Seasonic, Silverstone, and others. Sadly, however, none of them, come with the needed Four PCI-E 6 pin connectors. The most they offer are two.

ST65F-G has two cables that end in 4 connectors. http://www.silverstonetek.com/goods_cable_define/st65f-g-cable-define.pdf

And again about the power draw. Here is 660ti tested by reputable reviewers http://hardocp.com/article/2012/10/31/galaxy_geforce_gtx_660_ti_gc_3gb_sli_review/10

They measured at load 501W from the wall. So 450W inside the PSU - which corresponds to what psyclum said at top of page. This was with an i7 @ 4.8GHz and both 660Ti cards overclocked.
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Strictly for the purposes of trying to get an SLI setup in the smallest case size possible.

you really only have 1 choice for high performance rig if small SLi is what you are looking for. the SG09/10 are the smallest SLi boxes that still offer the capability of good cooling for all components. personally i'm more partial towards TJ08-E however SG09/10 is smaller.
post #20 of 33
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Thanks for the response and info Psyclum.

I checked out available 650w PSUs from Seasonic, Silverstone, and others. Sadly, however, none of them, come with the needed Four PCI-E 6 pin connectors. The most they offer are two. But the good / not so good news is that I did find a Coolmaster GX-750 that is 150x140x86mm which will work in the case. Unfortunately it is only a mediocre PSU with so-so reviews. But since it's a 750 (initially anyway) It should be able to handle the 2 video cards, processor and 2TB HD even though its not as efficient as the better ones from Seasonic. The other issue is that there seems to be an old version of this PSU and a new one. Some stats say it has only 2 PCI-E connections and other stats say it has 4 and is SLI ready. Still trying to confirm this though.

i wouldn't just pick some random PSU. if you are looking for alternatives, look in this list

every one of the PSU's in that list is considered quality PSU and can be trusted. getting a poor PSU is a really bad 1st step towards a good build.
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