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Pointless. The new HTC Phones are capable of being reset without pulling the battery at all. You hold the power button down for ten seconds for a full reset and reboot, hold down power and volume down to get into bootloader. If you're telling me that ATT CS didn't know this, you're either not being truthful, or you were dealing with idiots.

The GS3 is far from a solid feeling phone. The HTC Nexus One, HTC One X, LG Optimus and many others make the GS3 feel like a toy.

But, the SGS3 is superior to the One X, and Nexus One. So this fantasy "toy feel" or not, it's still the better device. And it has that removable battery and sd card slot, so even more so.

And sometimes, you need to disconnect the battery and pull all power from the board, as has been mentioned a few times. So a hard reset (which is available on all devices anyway) isn't feasible.
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Pointless. The new HTC Phones are capable of being reset without pulling the battery at all. You hold the power button down for ten seconds for a full reset and reboot, hold down power and volume down to get into bootloader. If you're telling me that ATT CS didn't know this, you're either not being truthful, or you were dealing with idiots.

The GS3 is far from a solid feeling phone. The HTC Nexus One, HTC One X, LG Optimus and many others make the GS3 feel like a toy.

But, the SGS3 is superior to the One X, and Nexus One. So this fantasy "toy feel" or not, it's still the better device. And it has that removable battery and sd card slot, so even more so.

And sometimes, you need to disconnect the battery and pull all power from the board, as has been mentioned a few times. So a hard reset (which is available on all devices anyway) isn't feasible.

Lolwut?! No in both accounts. Spec wise, screen wise, the one x beats the gs3.and you don't need to pull power from the board, that's what the full reset is for.
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Congrats, except that has nothing to do with their success and I hope that's not what others believe too. AbdullahG got it right. They marketed their phones a ton and took advantage of the legal battles with Apple to gain even more exposure. All the court cases were turned into advertising opportunities which is brilliant. Further more, they didn't have a bunch of exclusives that followed no formula or design language. HTC and Motorola were doing this where each carrier got their own special phone along with a saturated product lineup. Without a definite flagship across all carriers, like Apple, it didn't hold the attention of the average consumer.

Samsung on the other hand released the same Galaxy phones across all carriers. Everyone could get their hands on the S3 along with the Note 2 and without anything creating confusion being thrown into the mix (like the original Galaxy S phones, where each carrier had their own version of the same phone).

That's the point of the HTC One, they're emulating Samsungs business model which is having one flagship across all carriers and it's honestly something all the companies need to do if they want to stand a chance in the market. Smarter branding, less confusion, and good marketing gets you sales. Not throwing a bunch of features at the wall and hoping they stick.

(Seriously guys, if you want easy information on this go read all the case studies on companies like Samsung, HTC, Apple, etc... right now. They're really interesting).
Cool beans. Enjoy what I wrote.

Microsoft needs to do this with WP by creating their own device. WP in its current form is trying to take Apple AND Android maker's approach by having many WP devices and few flagships which vary by naming convention on each network.
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Pointless. The new HTC Phones are capable of being reset without pulling the battery at all. You hold the power button down for ten seconds for a full reset and reboot, hold down power and volume down to get into bootloader. If you're telling me that ATT CS didn't know this, you're either not being truthful, or you were dealing with idiots.

The GS3 is far from a solid feeling phone. The HTC Nexus One, HTC One X, LG Optimus and many others make the GS3 feel like a toy.

ATT CS didn't even suggest pulling the battery, so I guess they are indeed idiotic.

I never said GS3 is a solid feeling phone, but it feels rock solid in my solid case where it sits 24/7. So I could careless about whether other phones feel more solid more not.

With all that said the HTC One will be a great phone, I look forward to it competing with the Xperia Z & GS4.
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Lolwut?! No in both accounts. Spec wise, screen wise, the one x beats the gs3.and you don't need to pull power from the board, that's what the full reset is for.

Erm, no. Spec wise, the OneX loses to the SGS3 on all fronts. The screen looks no different. Tegra 3 loses out to the Mali-400 and Exynos 4412, despite being clocked higher. I'm an NVidia fan (I'm not anti-AMD, just for the record) but the specs adn performance of the SGS3, adn the fact that the OneX didn't have the battery and SD card, drew me away from HTC... and I've had many, many HTC phones (Desire, Desire HD, Sensation... then SGS3).

And yes, you need to pull power from the board at times. There have been several mentions of this as the case here in this thread.



Totally stock settings ^. Not overclocked.

One X < SGS3
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Erm, no. Spec wise, the OneX loses to the SGS3 on all fronts. The screen looks no different. Tegra 3 loses out to the Mali-400 and Exynos 4412, despite being clocked higher. I'm an NVidia fan (I'm not anti-AMD, just for the record) but the specs adn performance of the SGS3, adn the fact that the OneX didn't have the battery and SD card, drew me away from HTC... and I've had many, many HTC phones (Desire, Desire HD, Sensation... then SGS3).

And yes, you need to pull power from the board at times. There have been several mentions of this as the case here in this thread.



Totally stock settings ^. Not overclocked.

One X < SGS3

Keep in mind that the One X was out a fair bit before the SG3. And I personally take quadrant scores with a slight grain of salt. As according to it, my HTC One S performed with 50 points of my buddies SG3. I got just under 5200 and he got just over 5200
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Keep in mind that the One X was out a fair bit before the SG3. And I personally take quadrant scores with a slight grain of salt. As according to it, my HTC One S performed with 50 points of my buddies SG3.

If those were US versions, that's totally feasible, since the hardware is very much the same (both n the Snapdragon S4's?), but yeah Quadrant Scores are usually taken with a grain of salt. I don't have my Antutu benchmarks available, but me and my friend benched our phones (he has the OneX) and the SGS3 did favourably there too.

Though I'll bet that wants updating now because I think both phones ahve ebenfited from subsequent updates ... I know my SGS3 gets in the region of 16k now, and I expect the OneX to do the same.

Both are great phones biggrin.gif It was literally the lack of sd card (battery I can deal with, though would prefer a removable one) that pushed me away for the first time in a while!
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Lolwut?! No in both accounts. Spec wise, screen wise, the one x beats the gs3.and you don't need to pull power from the board, that's what the full reset is for.

Erm, no. Spec wise, the OneX loses to the SGS3 on all fronts. The screen looks no different. Tegra 3 loses out to the Mali-400 and Exynos 4412, despite being clocked higher. I'm an NVidia fan (I'm not anti-AMD, just for the record) but the specs adn performance of the SGS3, adn the fact that the OneX didn't have the battery and SD card, drew me away from HTC... and I've had many, many HTC phones (Desire, Desire HD, Sensation... then SGS3).

And yes, you need to pull power from the board at times. There have been several mentions of this as the case here in this thread.
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Totally stock settings ^. Not overclocked.

One X < SGS3

I'll see your quadrant scores and raise you, with stock clocks.


Benchmarks are completely subjective as every device even within the same model is capable of better or worse.

The GS3 screen is terrible at viewing angles compared to the One X. And no, again, I'm telling you, for a fact, that you DO NOT need to remove power from the board via removing the battery. That's what a hard reset does on modern phones via the power button. This wasn't always the case, but any phone released in the last year that does not have a removable battery can be hard reset, which acts the same as pulling the battery completely.

Edit: It seem our discussion may be almost irrelevant. The HTC One X you have on your side of the world has a different processor. Whereas over here we have the Snapdragon which put the smackdown on the processor over there.
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If those were US versions, that's totally feasible, since the hardware is very much the same (both n the Snapdragon S4's?), but yeah Quadrant Scores are usually taken with a grain of salt. I don't have my Antutu benchmarks available, but me and my friend benched our phones (he has the OneX) and the SGS3 did favourably there too.

Though I'll bet that wants updating now because I think both phones ahve ebenfited from subsequent updates ... I know my SGS3 gets in the region of 16k now, and I expect the OneX to do the same.

Both are great phones biggrin.gif It was literally the lack of sd card (battery I can deal with, though would prefer a removable one) that pushed me away for the first time in a while!

both are US versions indeed. And yes, both run snapdragon S4 cpu's.
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I'll see your quadrant scores and raise you, with stock clocks.


Benchmarks are completely subjective as every device even within the same model is capable of better or worse.

The GS3 screen is terrible at viewing angles compared to the One X. And no, again, I'm telling you, for a fact, that you DO NOT need to remove power from the board via removing the battery. That's what a hard reset does on modern phones via the power button. This wasn't always the case, but any phone released in the last year that does not have a removable battery can be hard reset, which acts the same as pulling the battery completely.

Edit: It seem our discussion may be almost irrelevant. The HTC One X you have on your side of the world has a different processor. Whereas over here we have the Snapdragon which put the smackdown on the processor over there.

Well, you can tell me that all you want until you're blue in the face, but you're totally and utterly wrong. You DO need to pull all power from the board from time to time to deal with certain things. ESPECIALLY a recovery issue, especially with TWRP. You have no facts regarding this. You DO need to do this form time to time. It happens. Not often, but it happens.

No, the SGS3 screen isn't terrible with viewing angles. LOL, it's practically the same, in fact, the SGS3 can be seen better in sunlight also.

And my phone has the hard reset functionality, and it doesn't have a removable battery. It's built into the Android OS.

The Tegra 3 chipset runs rings around the S4 chipset... lol.



EDIT:

Just to give you something to go on. Using TWRP or CWM, when trying to flash my custom ROM. I can try three times in a row and the installer crash out. Pull the battery out, re-insert and it installs first time. You need to pull the batter yon the odd occasion. Hard resetting does nothing in this scenario.
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