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No, it's not. Selective breeding doesn't cause massive cancers and isn't pure poison.

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post #102 of 111
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No, it's not. Selective breeding doesn't cause massive cancers and isn't pure poison.

That is a completely false (and ridiculous) statement not backed by any science.

I defy you to show me even one peer reviewed piece of scientific research that shows that GMOs have ever caused detrimental harm to any person on this planet through its ingestion.

The NAS, ICSU, WHO, and AMA all disagree with the perceived danger of GMOs.

Here is an excerpt from the AMA study:
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“Bioengineered foods have been consumed for close to 20 years, and during that time, no overt consequences on human health have been reported and/or substantiated in the peer-reviewed literature.”

People who are ardent opponents frequently cite Gilles-Eric Seralini's report. This paper has since been refuted by the SFPT and the European Society of Toxicologic Pathology. The EFSA also found the report to be woefully inaccurate and dubious.
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But a study published recently in the UK by a genetic engineer from London’s King’s College of Medicine signaled that GM foods pose a more serious threat than advocates of research would have the public believe.

“GM crops are promoted on the basis of ambitious claims – that they are safe to eat, environmentally beneficial, increase yields, reduce reliance on pesticides and can help solve world hunger," said Dr. Michael Antoniou, author of the report, which claims that research into GM crops is incomplete and tests on the effect of their consumption are not comprehensive enough.

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Trusting a company to self regulate itself when it's one and only goal is to dominate the world in search of profit sounds like a good idea to you but not to me. Enjoy your next GMO meal.
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I knew you'd cite that one. That study has come under fire due to their extremely small sample size and use of a lineage of rats that are already extremely prone to mammary tumors. I'm not sure if it has been officially retracted yet.

The meta-analyses done on it show no significant difference between treatment groups anyway.
    
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I knew you'd cite that one. That study has come under fire due to their extremely small sample size and use of a lineage of rats that are already extremely prone to mammary tumors. I'm not sure if it has been officially retracted yet.

The meta-analyses done on it show no significant difference between treatment groups anyway.

Reread my post, I've edited it.

I stand by what I say: trusting GMO's has proven to be a very bad idea, unless early death is a good idea to you.

All studies that have found GMO's safe have either been done by the firms selling the poison or by third parties who were paid by said firms. This is what governments rely on when they lie and say GMO's are safe.
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Reread my post, I've edited it.

I stand by what I say: trusting GMO's has proven to be a very bad idea, unless early death is a good idea to you.

All studies that have found GMO's safe have either been done by the firms selling the poison or by third parties who were paid by said firms. This is what governments rely on when they lie and say GMO's are safe.

I make GMOs, guess that makes me a murderer too, huh?

Seriously man, get over it, we're not all out to get you. I'm just out to prove that we can do things, and that those things are safe. rolleyes.gif
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Reread my post, I've edited it.

I stand by what I say: trusting GMO's has proven to be a very bad idea, unless early death is a good idea to you.

All studies that have found GMO's safe have either been done by the firms selling the poison or by third parties who were paid by said firms. This is what governments rely on when they lie and say GMO's are safe.

You clearly didn't read the commentary on your new link. That's precisely the same article I was talking about. The chi-squared test showed no significant difference between treatment groups, as well as other criticisms (check the references in the second one, too):

http://theconversation.edu.au/genetically-modified-corn-and-cancer-what-does-the-evidence-really-say-9746

http://www.sciencemediacentre.org/expert-reaction-to-gm-maize-causing-tumours-in-rats/

http://academicsreview.org/2012/09/scientists-smell-a-rat-in-fraudulent-study/

(french) http://www.huffingtonpost.fr/jeanfrancois-narbonne/lacunes-resultats-suprenants-et-inexplicables-letude-anti-ogm-sur-la-sellette_b_1902634.html
    
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i had to do a report on this for my botany class. generally while i found that there are potential risks to gmos, they are generally safe. however some of the methods for attaining gmos disgusted me. in some instances (maybe all instances, i don't really know) they basically insert a specific kind of plant virus that modifies the plant dna somehow.

but anyway, scientifically speaking gmos as used today seems safe and actually provide environmental benefits in some instances (for example, by giving plants pest resistant genes that decrease the need for pesticides). the hysteria around gmos is so overblown and seemingly promoted by ignorant people.

on the other hand, industrial farming practices (in many instances tied to gmos) are often very environmentally damaging. would using gmos to increase the yield of organic farming be a contradiction?
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Trusting a company to self regulate itself when it's one and only goal is to dominate the world in search of profit sounds like a good idea to you but not to me. Enjoy your next GMO meal.

I like the part where you just casually ignore my links that show that some of the largest health and science organizations on the planet completely and utterly refute any claim that GMOs are even remotely dangerous to humans.
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on the other hand, industrial farming practices (in many instances tied to gmos) are often very environmentally damaging. would using gmos to increase the yield of organic farming be a contradiction?

Industrial farming (scary name!) if done within the confines set forth by health and bio-security protocols is environmentally neutral. Organic farming lauds the usage of antiquated pesticides (yes organic farmers use pesticides) in lieu of complex, rigorously tested, synthetic (scary name!) chemical compounds such as glyphosate that break down quickly. Organic farming does not equate to better farming, and there has been no evidence in any peer reviewed research paper that has shown organically grown food is more nutritious in any way. All they have found is that organic foods have less instances of glyphosate residues which is a laughably self-evident conclusion.
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some of the methods for attaining gmos disgusted me. in some instances (maybe all instances, i don't really know) they basically insert a specific kind of plant virus that modifies the plant dna somehow.

What's the issue? That's a standard method.
    
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