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Hi guys, thanks for taking the time to come in and read

Okay, so before we begin, might I let everyone know that I am well aware of Haswell being around the corner and I have still decided to build an Ivy Bridge Rig for the time being. I wish not to wait, and having really had a look at the performance it offers I am really wanting to build my rig now and I already have myself a 3770K which I will use.

Recently, I decided I was going to build an ivy bridge build, I decided on the chip, the Ram, the case etc... but where I am stuck is the motherboard, particularly what's available in the z77 range.

Let me say that this computer is to last me a minimum of two to three years ( I don't need to play games of max for two years ) but two years or three years is around my upgrade cycle and it has worked for me in the past. Alot of the games I play and work I do is not super high performance. I am building in a corsair 600t, and really I'm looking to get an excellent all around board with useful feautures.

I've never been interested in the gaming orientated motherboards ( apart from the Sabertooth ) because my needs are broad, and more than just gaming. I realise most z77 motherboards perform similarly and it comes down to feature set. My idea here was to spend a little more to get features that I will be able to use and have a solid, fast pc.

Motherboards I've read and looked at and researched: these are also the motherboards I'm considering. Originally I was going to go for the gigabyte ga-z77x-ud5h but due to poor sata performance of the marvel controller and DPC latency issues I decided against it. Then I looked at the UD3H and I'm wondering if that has those same issues.

I am currently looking at these : Asus sabertooth z77, Gigabyte ga-z77-up5 th, Asus p8z77-v deluxe ( this board has incredible reviews, however some people say it/s not worth the money). It's gotten to the stage where I'm overwhelmed with choices.

I need a solid board with an excellent VRM, I need a descent amount of connectivity, I need good solid bios and software that is well equipped. The reason why I'm not interested in the gaming orientated motherboards is because I also do bits of video editing ( small bits for personal, not professional scenarios) and some music recording, I really dont need the crazy thunder fx sound modules and extra pci-e slots of anything. I just want to use a 680, sound card, and possibly a game capture card & wifi.

I understand there are a myriad of options and to be honest I just want to build a good top end system in the z77 platform ( top end of the z77, without going into x79 territory. I am already considering spending a little bit extra on this build and I know in some spectrums the deluxe board might be considered overkill however, considering the time and money put into this pc, I am willing to spend extra to get a little bit more quality.

I apologise if anything I've said sounds ignorant, I'm just looking for solid advice on my situation, not much interested in being told to go with a Piledriver CPU, sandy bridge e or wait for haswell.

Appreciate any advice guys, cheers!
Edited by CurtTerror - 2/19/13 at 5:29pm
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the Marvell controller is just as good as the ASMedia one that asus uses, they all are about the same except for the Intel and some other controllers which motherboard makers rarely use.

DPC latency only is an issue if you run EasyTune6, which you don't need to run. You can try one of the ASUS boards, or try the Up5 Th or the UD5H rev 1.1 that is in stores now.
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First things first. Gaming oriented boards just have some gimmicky stuff. Their audio cards aren't necessary better than realtek codec. In some cases they just use rebranded Realtek.

UD5H doesn't generall suffer from DPC latency issues. I've seen people whose latency stays under 150, so it's most likely related to several boards.

Any additional SATA controller on any board will perform worse than Intel. They are tied to single PCI-E x1 interface which just doesn't provide enough bandwidth.

Among Sabertooth Z77, UP5 and Deluxe, the choice for me is obviously UP5. Sabertooth is nothing but P8Z77-V with better inductors, Thermal Armor, and without WiFi. Deluxe is P8Z77-V with 8 phase doubled to 16 VRM design, and dual-band WiFi, and few other things here and there.

UP5 has lots of things for its price. Dual-band WiFi, bluetooth, dual thunderbolt, and ALC898 codec + headphone amp. It also has 8 phase VRM design with IR3550 mosfets that can deliver 60A per phase. Mosfets that are used on Asus boards do only 30A per phase.

Saying all that, I don't really think you actually need one of these expensive boards. Unless you really want that WiFi module, or thunderbolt support, you can save few bucks by going with UD3H, UD4H, UD5H, UP4, P8Z77-V, and P8Z77-V Pro. Also MSI Z77A-GD65 and MPower.
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the Marvell controller is just as good as the ASMedia one that asus uses, they all are about the same except for the Intel and some other controllers which motherboard makers rarely use.

DPC latency only is an issue if you run EasyTune6, which you don't need to run. You can try one of the ASUS boards, or try the Up5 Th or the UD5H rev 1.1 that is in stores now.

Oh, that is fair enough I suppose. I read in an ANAndtech review that DPC latency was bad on this board and that even with easy tune disabled it wasn't great. Is there a way to know? What have they changed with the revision?

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First things first. Gaming oriented boards just have some gimmicky stuff. Their audio cards aren't necessary better than realtek codec. In some cases they just use rebranded Realtek.

UD5H doesn't generall suffer from DPC latency issues. I've seen people whose latency stays under 150, so it's most likely related to several boards.

Any additional SATA controller on any board will perform worse than Intel. They are tied to single PCI-E x1 interface which just doesn't provide enough bandwidth.

Among Sabertooth Z77, UP5 and Deluxe, the choice for me is obviously UP5. Sabertooth is nothing but P8Z77-V with better inductors, Thermal Armor, and without WiFi. Deluxe is P8Z77-V with 8 phase doubled to 16 VRM design, and dual-band WiFi, and few other things here and there.

UP5 has lots of things for its price. Dual-band WiFi, bluetooth, dual thunderbolt, and ALC898 codec + headphone amp. It also has 8 phase VRM design with IR3550 mosfets that can deliver 60A per phase. Mosfets that are used on Asus boards do only 30A per phase.

Saying all that, I don't really think you actually need one of these expensive boards. Unless you really want that WiFi module, or thunderbolt support, you can save few bucks by going with UD3H, UD4H, UD5H, P8Z77-V, and P8Z77-V Pro. Also MSI Z77A-GD65 and MPower.

I can understand that and I have no use for thunderbolt really, I really really liked the UD3H and UD5H with the wifi modules aswell, however again I read multiple reviews that talk about the bad 3d bios, dpc latency issue and poor controller, but as stated above marvel controllers seem to be on the same level. If you could help shed any light on the DPC latency issue, I mean I'm looking to see where I can find it they have fixed this issue with a bios update or anything but it's hard to find and once you read a review that suggests problems with the board then it sorta puts you off.

Thanks guys
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3D BIOS isn't bad. It works great and does what's it suppose to. To be fair, I only see Asus owners to complain about how hard it is. It's not. It's just different.

UD5H and UD3H rev 1.1 use updated Atheros NIC. UD5H early rev 1.0 boards had problem with green audio jack in Linux (no audio). Later 1.0 boards fixed it, and 1.1 has no issues at all. All retailers sell 1.1 right now, unless it's some sort of small business.

DPC issues can be related to all sort of stuff. Mainly drivers and software. I didn't actually experienced any issues that high DPC can bring. I've got some abnormally high reading in DPC latency checker and that's about it. Since I've switched to Windows 8, there is no way to check it, but I definitely didn't have any issues.

You can search using keyword "DPC" in this thread for some discussion about it.
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Gigabyte ga-z77x-up5 th has better VRM quality (although less phases on paper with their 8 phases of PowIRstage IR3550, since ASUS uses 8 phases with doublers ... see http://sinhardware.com/images/vrm.jpg) and Thunderbolt support if you ever need it

ASUS deluxe has better fan control but other than that it's basically the same ,... on UP5TH and UD5H boards the 4th and 5th fan run 100% unless you have a fan controller plus the chassis fans are all tuned the same.
http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/Gigabyte/Z77X-UP5_TH/images/bios_25.jpg
vs http://images.anandtech.com/doci/5833/ASUS%20P8Z77-V%20Deluxe%20BIOS%2024%20-%20Monitor.png , http://images.anandtech.com/doci/5833/ASUS%20P8Z77-V%20Deluxe%20BIOS%2025%20-%20Monitor2.png

Asus Deluxe has 2 more back panel (ASMedia instead of VIA) USB 3.0 ports but the Gigabyte has 3 USB 3.0 internal headers instead of 1

Asus Deluxe has 1 more SATA 6Gb/s internal connector (unless you run more than 3 SSDs, you won't need it for regular HDDs)

Realtek ALC898 codec ; wifi dual band & bluetooth on both


http://www.asus.com/Motherboard/P8Z77V_DELUXE/#specifications
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3D BIOS isn't bad. It works great and does what's it suppose to. To be fair, I only see Asus owners to complain about how hard it is. It's not. It's just different.

UD5H and UD3H rev 1.1 use updated Atheros NIC. UD5H early rev 1.0 boards had problem with green audio jack in Linux (no audio). Later 1.0 boards fixed it, and 1.1 has no issues at all. All retailers sell 1.1 right now, unless it's some sort of small business.

DPC issues can be related to all sort of stuff. Mainly drivers and software. I didn't actually experienced any issues that high DPC can bring. I've got some abnormally high reading in DPC latency checker and that's about it. Since I've switched to Windows 8, there is no way to check it, but I definitely didn't have any issues.

You can search using keyword "DPC" in this thread for some discussion about it.

That's not very comforting really, DPC issues can be related to all sorts of stuff, I'm honestly not comfortable with settling with them that I pay $200 for, I do some audio production and can't the playback and such not be affected by High spikes in DPC latency, I thought it might push the audio buffering further back on the list. Please excuse my extreme lack of knowledge on this subject, it's just something I've come across as I've started to make music on my PC, recording and playing back.

A high DPC latency reading usually means there is a High dpc latency... and it's something I'm not not willing to say, okay that's fine, hopefully I don't experience issues. It really is something I have looked at. I really appreciate your response on the matter.

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Gigabyte ga-z77x-up5 th has better VRM quality (although less phases on paper with their 8 phases of PowIRstage IR3550, since ASUS uses 8 phases with doublers ... see http://sinhardware.com/images/vrm.jpg) and Thunderbolt support if you ever need it

ASUS deluxe has better fan control but other than that it's basically the same ,... on UP5TH and UD5H boards the 4th and 5th fan run 100% unless you have a fan controller plus the chassis fans are all tuned the same.
http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/Gigabyte/Z77X-UP5_TH/images/bios_25.jpg

Asus Deluxe has 2 more back panel (ASMedia instead of VIA) USB 3.0 ports but the Gigabyte has 3 USB 3.0 internal headers instead of 1

Asus Deluxe has 1 more SATA 6Gb/s internal connector (unless you run more than 3 SSDs, you won't need it for regular HDDs)

Realtek ALC898 codec ; wifi dual band & bluetooth on both



http://www.asus.com/Motherboard/P8Z77V_DELUXE/#specifications

Thanks for that, I'll keep that in mind. I'd more than likely be having to go to an external fan controller as I have around 9 fans inside the chassis.
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Well, since it's critical for you, just don't get UD5H. I haven't seen that issue on any other GB Z77 board so far.
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From further research it seems that this was an issue with easy tune software as suggest earlier in the thread by another member. The UD3H seems not to have these issues, and has quite a good DPC latency. For my needs in my personal computer, the deluxe and up5 is overkill I suppose, I don't need thunderbolt and the UD3H seems to be a solid performer for my new ivy bridge system. Perhaps, I'll use that.

Cheers
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For what it's worth, I can confirm from my own experience with a Gigabyte Z68X-UD3H-B3 motherboard that DPC latency is very very low unless EasyTune is running. So just don't run EasyTune if that's important (I don't use it, personally).
   
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